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Old 10-04-2023, 03:53 PM
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Pathetic I am. But at least I am honest.
Don't generalize then about everyone else.
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Don't generalize then about everyone else.
That I am pathetic and you do not like me does not mean I may not speak on human nature. Insult away.
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That I am pathetic and you do not like me does not mean I may not speak on human nature. Insult away.
I do like you though. I just think you aren't in a position to call me a liar when I speak the truth about my personal morals, or to paint everyone in the hobby with the broad brush you did.
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I do like you though. I just think you aren't in a position to call me a liar when I speak the truth about my personal morals, or to paint everyone in the hobby with the broad brush you did.
If men’s actions were as good as their words, we would all of us be angels. One is either a man of exceptional virtue to turn down the proffered scenario, or dishonest. I do not see a real third option.
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If men’s actions were as good as their words, we would all of us be angels. One is either a man of exceptional virtue to turn down the proffered scenario, or dishonest. I do not see a real third option.
I would turn it down but I don't claim to have exceptional virtue, nor do I judge anyone who would take the offer. I think there are a lot more like me out there than you may believe.
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I would turn it down but I don't claim to have exceptional virtue, nor do I judge anyone who would take the offer. I think there are a lot more like me out there than you may believe.
It would not be very reasonable of me to believe there are a great or significant number of people who will turn down hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars offered to them on a silver platter. Experience suggests people do far worse for far less with great frequency. One who would decline such an example as the one I offered (without using any coercion, with it being directly offered to them, and without any illegalities making the buyer have to do nothing more than say “okay” as a nearly passive participant) is clearly in a minority. I might agree if the variables had been different, people generally do good things when their is incentive to do so or no incentive at all, but it is very hard to postulate many people will sincerely trade retirement and financial security for a relatively minor moral point. Nothing in human history suggests to me this is how anything remotely approaching how a majority actually works.
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Well you're now down to talking about a majority and a minority. I might agree with you there, but before you were suggesting no one would turn it down. I believe a very sizeable minority would.

I don't know what your experience of the world has been, but mine apparently is otherwise.
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