M101-2 Sporting News Supplements: Gaining more attention, discuss

[Rhotchkiss]

Question for you supplements guys- how much, if any, does the recent rise in M101-2 values, which I think is almost exclusively due to PSA slabbing (legitimizing) them, impact the value and desirability of their rarer M101–1 predecessors?

[brunswickreeves]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Question for you supplements guys- how much, if any, does the recent rise in M101-2 values, which I think is almost exclusively due to PSA slabbing (legitimizing) them, impact the value and desirability of their rarer M101–1 predecessors?

I feel like M101-1 and M101-2 Sporting News are for completely different collectors. Prices vary significantly for each, as do the images. Both are amazing sets IMHO.

An 1899 Nap Lajoie M101-1 went for over $2K in August and was a BEAUTIFUL card. That same $2K has much more buying power of the M101-2 set. I personally love M101-2 because of the action images, which for their release between 1909 and 1913 made you feel like you were on the field watching a moment from a game, when games were much more difficult to get to in that time period.

That said, I foresee rising prices of M101-1 just like M101-2, if more could actually come to market like has been the case with M101-2 in recent years, and thus create more demand and buyers.

[puckpaul]

I agree that both will continue to be more appreciated and appreciate, and the M101-1 will garner more attention due to the rise and acceptance of M101-2. Personally I have been stunned by the beautiful imagery of some of the M101-2 set, many of which have been in rough condition due to size and paper stock, like the M101-1s have. In fact, i purchased the recent Grover Alexander “rookie” from that set and paid for it.

The majesty of the M101-1s in nice condition remains very underappreciated. The portraits are stunning in person. I had both of these Wagners in my collection for years. Never gave two thoughts about the M101-2 until the recent price realizations. There is still no comparison, not just because of the significance of Wagner’s first ML “card” appearance and biography, but because the image is so beautiful in person.

I have come to like the M101-2 much more lately than i had! (Mine does have some pencil notation on the back but the supplement is very well preserved).

Hoping the M101-2 success causes PSA to grade the M101-1s someday.

[GregMitch34]

Very nice. Yes, I imagine the M101-1s are next...of course, players in suits and not in uniforms may dissuade some...although one favorite M101-2s that I have is the Tigers team all in suits...including Ty with bow-tie... Bow-Ty?

The Alexander "rookie card" remains debated but since I have one I firmly back the idea....prices certainly have weighed in on that.....some claim the same for the Speaker........

[Shankweather]

Originally Posted by GregMitch34

Very nice. Yes, I imagine the M101-1s are next...of course, players in suits and not in uniforms may dissuade some...although one favorite M101-2s that I have is the Tigers team all in suits...including Ty with bow-tie... Bow-Ty?

Someone may have already said this, but PSA doesn't grade M101-1s because they don't have a slab that big. 8.5x11 is their max and those are generally 9x11. Kinda silly after all this time they haven't created a 10x12 slab for M101-1 and M114.

[bobbvc]

Originally Posted by Shankweather

Someone may have already said this, but PSA doesn't grade M101-1s because they don't have a slab that big. 8.5x11 is their max and those are generally 9x11. Kinda silly after all this time they haven't created a 10x12 slab for M101-1 and M114.

Excellent chart. Thanks.

[Myachelydra]

I've sold most of mine over the years...saved this one and a few others.

1912 M101-2 Sporting News Wood.jpg

1912 M101-2 Sporting News Wood reverse.jpg

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by brunswickreeves

I foresee rising prices of M101-1 just like M101-2, if more could actually come to market like has been the case with M101-2 in recent years, and thus create more demand and buyers.

I hope you are right, because I just cut a deal for this. I will post in pick-ups thread when in hand

[GregMitch34]

Looks like those Beckett jumbo holders are better than horrid earlier ones. One reason prices have spiked for PSA graded m101-2s is they look so much better in their holders than earlier Beckett ones. Although far harsher grading....

[brunswickreeves]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

I hope you are right, because I just cut a deal for this. I will post in pick-ups thread when in hand

Great card! Opinions are my own and do not constitute investment advice, nor should be taken as such. The risk of loss in buying and selling sports cards can be substantial. You should therefore carefully consider whether such activity is suitable for you, your circumstances, your risk appetite, and financial resources. I hereby absolve myself from all future claims of responsibility. So on and so forth…

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

I hope you are right, because I just cut a deal for this. I will post in pick-ups thread when in hand

Great card...yeah I call it a card. If PSA graded these things they would be worth more but nice addition.

[Bobsbats]

Funny, I had a M101-1 Griffith with me at the show in Oaks this past weekend and the representative for Beckett told me they don't grade them...never have. When I showed him my M101-1 Billy Hamilton graded by Beckett, he then said...we can give it a shot, but if they don't do it, I still had to pay to have it shipped back.

I still have the Griffith.

[mouschi]

I have much to say about my journey with the M101-2s .... as someone who comes from the 1989 bowman generation, I used to loathe anything larger than 2.5x3.5" ...

then I learned of the M101-2s. Gahh, it was love at first sight, especially when a near set landed at an auction house. I watched like a hawk, and felt pretty good about my chances on landing it within a reasonable price so I could then break apart and sell the pieces I didn't want. (The Joe Jackson and Wagner/Cobb were my two favorites).

Then it kept going up & up & up.

I ended up not being the winner, and was about as heartbroken as you can be over losing an auction. Then, they started popping up on ebay - the buyer was breaking them up too! I snagged the 2 I wanted, along with the WaJo.


On the Jackson & Wagner/Cobb, they are graded as "authentic" and didn't get a numerical grading, because the auction house (REA I think?) was told they'd get a low number, and don't have any reason to believe they were altered.

Oh, and the Wagner/Cobb was the first one graded, and I believe the Jackson was second or third.





My gosh ... they are beautiful.

This one is altered, as it had sporting news cut out and placed in the top center ... I didn't even notice it until a while after I had it. To the 10 year old back in 1911 who probably did it - well done.



So naturally, after my eyes were opened to how amazing oversized pieces can be for display, I heard of a Nap Lajoie rookie from something called an M101-1 ... like I'll ever see one of those, heh.

Then someone posted a Wagner. Jaw. Dropped. A 19th century Wagner rookie? What on earth? I had no idea it existed. I was able to make a deal on one years ago, and it is one of my most prized pieces in my very small collection.



So yeah, PSA - get on the M101-1 ball!

[GregMitch34]

Ha, ha, PSA somehow missed the "altered" on that WaJo...

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Question for you supplements guys- how much, if any, does the recent rise in M101-2 values, which I think is almost exclusively due to PSA slabbing (legitimizing) them, impact the value and desirability of their rarer M101–1 predecessors?

If PSA slabs it, it rises in value.