Cards still being outed on Blowout -- PSA 9 Monte Irvin in the recent ML

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Snowman

I would argue that your card hasn't actually lost any value. Perhaps it has lost value in your eyes, or in the eyes of a very small minority of collectors, but the card's true value is dictated by what the market thinks it's worth, not you. And the market has clearly shrugged at the trimming and alteration scandals, as did the FBI.

I dislike this attitude more than any other.

Just because a bunch of other people are clueless or corrupt does not make it ok.

Frankly, it's also a huge temptation that I manage to avoid.

[ullmandds]

agreed!

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by steve B

I dislike this attitude more than any other.

Just because a bunch of other people are clueless or corrupt does not make it ok.

Frankly, it's also a huge temptation that I manage to avoid.

I don't see this as a subjective take or as an opinion with which we can agree or disagree on. I am merely pointing out the objective reality that surrounds us. It is true that this card maintains its value on the marketplace regardless of whether we want it to or not. The only opinion that matters is the one on the slab. That is true for altered cards as well as for unaltered cards that get erroneously rejected. You can't sell that 33 Goudey Gehrig AA for the price of a PSA 6 even if PSA got it wrong.

[JeremyW]

I honestly have no idea, but if raulus were to reach out to PSA with the before & after scans would he be laughed out of the building? Would there be any response from PSA? Seems to me that having the #2 PSA Willie Mays master set would at least warrant a response from someone.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by JeremyW

I honestly have no idea, but if raulus were to reach out to PSA with the before & after scans would he be laughed out of the building? Would there be any response from PSA? Seems to me that having the #2 PSA Willie Mays master set would at least warrant a response from someone.

Yes, they would respond. And there's a chance he might get reimbursed. But they often deny these sorts of claims.

[Peter_Spaeth]

They might bump it to a 9.

[JeremyW]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

They might bump it to a 9.

I didn't think of that possibility.

[JeremyW]

That might be the best solution. Raulus is made whole & the card is??? I wouldn't want it destroyed, but what is the solution to stop it from being graded by PSA a year from now?

[raulus]

Originally Posted by Snowman

Yes, they would respond. And there's a chance he might get reimbursed. But they often deny these sorts of claims.

They have a webpage that discusses their guarantee, and identifies how to contact them:

https://www.psacard.com/about/financialguarantee

I've sent them an email as they requested, to get the process started. We'll see how it goes. I'm not holding my breath. They have an autoresponse to identify that they work to respond to emails within 3 days.

I'm certainly more than happy to take the current market value for it, and hopefully they use it as a teaching moment for their graders. But both would seem like rather unreasonably high hopes.

[JeremyW]

Originally Posted by raulus

They have a webpage that discusses their guarantee, and identifies how to contact them:

https://www.psacard.com/about/financialguarantee

I've sent them an email as they requested, to get the process started. We'll see how it goes. I'm not holding my breath. They have an autoresponse to identify that they work to respond to emails within 3 days.

I'm certainly more than happy to take the current market value for it, and hopefully they use it as a teaching moment for their graders. But both would seem like rather unreasonably high hopes.

Please let us know how that works out for you. I'm rooting for you.

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by raulus

They have a webpage that discusses their guarantee, and identifies how to contact them:

https://www.psacard.com/about/financialguarantee

I've sent them an email as they requested, to get the process started. We'll see how it goes. I'm not holding my breath. They have an autoresponse to identify that they work to respond to emails within 3 days.

I'm certainly more than happy to take the current market value for it, and hopefully they use it as a teaching moment for their graders. But both would seem like rather unreasonably high hopes.

If PSA actually pays you, then we are here

[JeremyW]

I would agree for the average collector. Raulus is not your average collector.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

If PSA actually pays you, then we are here

I think the likelihood of being reimbursed for a recolored card is higher than for a trimmed card.

[parkplace33]

Originally Posted by raulus

They have a webpage that discusses their guarantee, and identifies how to contact them:

https://www.psacard.com/about/financialguarantee

I've sent them an email as they requested, to get the process started. We'll see how it goes. I'm not holding my breath. They have an autoresponse to identify that they work to respond to emails within 3 days.

I'm certainly more than happy to take the current market value for it, and hopefully they use it as a teaching moment for their graders. But both would seem like rather unreasonably high hopes.

Good luck and keep us posted. Did you mention you are a member of net54? That might have raised the level of importance for PSA

[raulus]

Originally Posted by parkplace33

Good luck and keep us posted. Did you mention you are a member of net54? That might have raised the level of importance for PSA

HA.

No disrespect to this august body, but I'm not convinced they will be effectively swayed by my participation in this forum.

I haven't really considered how I'm going to approach it once they get back to me. If they are dismissive, then I'll probably have to find ways to push a little harder. And I suppose a little online pressure can sometimes be used to help a company do the right thing.

But we'll see how it goes, and I'll be happy to share the outcome when it unfolds.

My guess is they'll look at the data, suggest that they are two different cards, and thank me for my time. Or some variation on that theme.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by parkplace33

Good luck and keep us posted. Did you mention you are a member of net54? That might have raised the level of importance for PSA

That would probably assure they blow him off. Like Nat cares about Net 54. I think having such a high ranked Mays player set might lend some credence though.