Cards still being outed on Blowout -- PSA 9 Monte Irvin in the recent ML

[raulus]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Nicolo -- i am saying this candidly and not to upset you, but if you have been buying this type of high grade material from the same and similar auction houses, or from anyone really because cards get moved along, the odds are pretty good that this is not your only altered card. Altered high grade cards are prevalent in the hobby, some of the superstar doctors have been at this for decades. Blowout is great but as someone mentioned they probably have outed a very tiny fraction of the altered cards out there.
The philosophical question for you is, can you live with what you don't know, or is that likelihood enough to ruin things for you even if nobody has specifically outed the card. As I've said it's a question of tolerance and only you can make that judgment.

Totally understand.

And the answer to your question about tolerance is: I don't know. It still stings, and not just a little. I'd prefer not to experience death by a thousand cuts as each card in my collection is outed over the next 10 years, which would be extreme, but not an impossibility.

Obviously just knowing that I have one bad apple casts doubt about everything else I have in my collection. At the same time, I'm so far in that it's tough to imagine just bailing and getting out. But maybe I'll have to think about some middle ground. Just not sure what that looks like other than I'm probably going to be really gun shy about buying high grade stuff going forward.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by raulus

Totally understand.

And the answer to your question about tolerance is: I don't know. It still stings, and not just a little. I'd prefer not to experience death by a thousand cuts as each card in my collection is outed over the next 10 years, which would be extreme, but not an impossibility.

Obviously just knowing that I have one bad apple casts doubt about everything else I have in my collection. At the same time, I'm so far in that it's tough to imagine just bailing and getting out. But maybe I'll have to think about some middle ground. Just not sure what that looks like other than I'm probably going to be really gun shy about buying high grade stuff going forward.

I don't know how important the registry thing is to you. If the cards mean more than the registry to you as a collector, If it were me, based on what I did years ago when I got spooked, I might think about moving some of the more expensive pieces and going instead for a nice midgrade that you've vetted thoroughly. I would add that if your main concern is the cards losing value, as opposed to just hating the idea of having an altered card, I don't think you need to worry. Enough people don't care that it won't affect resale value.

[Leon]

You might consider selling your high grade cards and moving into lower grade, but great looking, cards? For me, it's fun to find really nice looking lower grade gems.
Collecting can still be fun but you need to decide what's best for you. One suggestion, take your time and sleep on it for a while (weeks or a few months). Many times the answer becomes clear after mulling it over for a while.

Originally Posted by raulus

Totally understand.

And the answer to your question about tolerance is: I don't know. It still stings, and not just a little. I'd prefer not to experience death by a thousand cuts as each card in my collection is outed over the next 10 years, which would be extreme, but not an impossibility.

Obviously just knowing that I have one bad apple casts doubt about everything else I have in my collection. At the same time, I'm so far in that it's tough to imagine just bailing and getting out. But maybe I'll have to think about some middle ground. Just not sure what that looks like other than I'm probably going to be really gun shy about buying high grade stuff going forward.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by Leon

You might consider selling your high grade cards and moving into lower grade, but great looking, cards? For me, it's fun to find really nice looking lower grade gems.
Collecting can still be fun but you need to decide what's best for you. One suggestion, take your time and sleep on it for a while (weeks or a few months). Many times the answer becomes clear after mulling it over for a while.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I don't know how important the registry thing is to you. If the cards mean more than the registry to you as a collector, If it were me, based on what I did years ago when I got spooked, I might think about moving some of the more expensive pieces and going instead for a nice midgrade that you've vetted thoroughly. I would add that if your main concern is the cards losing value, as opposed to just hating the idea of having an altered card, I don't think you need to worry. Enough people don't care that it won't affect resale value.

Thanks for the advice, thoughts, and ideas. I appreciate your willingness to engage, even if it's tempting to laugh at my pain, because I had it coming for being a gullible rube.

And I'm definitely not going to move quickly. No sense in making a big decision based on one terrible event.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by raulus

Thanks for the advice, thoughts, and ideas. I appreciate your willingness to engage, even if it's tempting to laugh at my pain, because I had it coming for being a gullible rube.

And I'm definitely not going to move quickly. No sense in making a big decision based on one terrible event.

I think many of us have been there, and no it's not funny.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by raulus

Thanks for the advice, thoughts, and ideas. I appreciate your willingness to engage, even if it's tempting to laugh at my pain, because I had it coming for being a gullible rube.

Most of us have felt that pain before. Like when I gave the NYPL my Peck and Snyder......it made me sick over the whole issue. And some members (at the time LOL) thought I did something nefarious (which I didn't). Hang in there, you'll figure it out.
.

[parkplace33]

Originally Posted by raulus

Thanks for the advice, thoughts, and ideas. I appreciate your willingness to engage, even if it's tempting to laugh at my pain, because I had it coming for being a gullible rube.

And I'm definitely not going to move quickly. No sense in making a big decision based on one terrible event.

Nicolo, good luck on your journey. Ultimately, it is your decision to make.

While I haven't had any of my collection outed, I am worried about it happening someday. I will continue to make the best decision I can on future card purchases.