Cards still being outed on Blowout -- PSA 9 Monte Irvin in the recent ML

[raulus]

My first double post. I guess I’m a member of the club now.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by raulus

My first double post. I guess I’m a member of the club now.

I don't know what you've bought, or what it looks like, or from whom, so hard to comment. I went through this on a much smaller scale a very long time ago and downgraded most big ticket cards I had, because I didn't want to deal with the cloud of all the card doctoring. It was prevalent even back then. But I wasn't iinto very deep at the time. I hope you find a way to deal with it all, it does suck, no question.

[Peter_Spaeth]

By the way even now, with settling for lower grades than I used to on most stuff and a great deal of due diligence on any significant card I buy, I am sure altered cards have gotten through. But so far I can tolerate that relative risk, if the alternative is not to collect.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I don't know what you've bought, or what it looks like, or from whom, so hard to comment. I went through this on a much smaller scale a very long time ago and downgraded most big ticket cards I had, because I didn't want to deal with the cloud of all the card doctoring. It was prevalent even back then. But I wasn't iinto very deep at the time. I hope you find a way to deal with it all, it does suck, no question.

If you’ve got time to waste and wanted to check out my higher grade more valuable stuff, a lot of it is here with my Mays set:

https://www.psacard.com/psasetregist...timeset/290520

A little more here with my McCovey set:

https://www.psacard.com/psasetregist...timeset/333139

Most of the items have pics attached, so you can dig down into the details if you’re so inclined.

Most of it was acquired in the last 10 years. Hundreds of different sellers online with eBay, including lots of other more traditional AHs, and a handful of reputable dealers offline. Certainly no single source, but lots of different places, including some AHs that I later learned are less loved around here, although it seems like most of the AHs have their fair share of detractors around here.

Your approach seems like a big step. But if you believe in it enough, then it makes sense.

[Beercan collector]

Love that 54 Mays 8.5 With the rough cut ,
Kudos to the grader

[Beercan collector]

Originally Posted by Beercan collector

Love that 54 Mays 8.5 With the rough cut ,
Kudos to the grader

If it makes anybody feel better I am the moron of the year ,
Thinking .. “ hooray “ card with a rough cut got a nice grade 🙄

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by raulus

If you’ve got time to waste and wanted to check out my higher grade more valuable stuff, a lot of it is here with my Mays set:

https://www.psacard.com/psasetregist...timeset/290520

A little more here with my McCovey set:

https://www.psacard.com/psasetregist...timeset/333139

Most of the items have pics attached, so you can dig down into the details if you’re so inclined.

Most of it was acquired in the last 10 years. Hundreds of different sellers online with eBay, including lots of other more traditional AHs, and a handful of reputable dealers offline. Certainly no single source, but lots of different places, including some AHs that I later learned are less loved around here, although it seems like most of the AHs have their fair share of detractors around here.

Your approach seems like a big step. But if you believe in it enough, then it makes sense.

I have not looked at the collection and even if I did I am not sure what can be deduced from scans of cards in holders. Card altering is pervasive in the hobby. If you really want to get a perspective on it, as I did at one point, read the numerous threads on blowout. If you are mainly into high grade I would say that is an area more prone to altering but as has been demonstrated altered material is making its way into all grades. It seems to be simply about the economics of it. If a card can be improved and the bump in grade justifies the cost of grading, time and effort, then that card will likely be altered by someone. Some collectors don't care because the holder cleanses the alteration and those collectors seem (right or wrong) to conclude the holder validates the card.

You can go to all kinds of steps to avoid altered stuff but unless you know for sure who submitted it and you know for sure that person is not someone who alters cards, you simply have to take another leap of faith.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

I have not looked at the collection and even if I did I am not sure what can be deduced from scans of cards in holders. Card altering is pervasive in the hobby. If you really want to get a perspective on it, as I did at one point, read the numerous threads on blowout. If you are mainly into high grade I would say that is an area more prone to altering but as has been demonstrated altered material is making its way into all grades. It seems to be simply about the economics of it. If a card can be improved and the bump in grade justifies the cost of grading, time and effort, then that card will likely be altered by someone. Some collectors don't care because the holder cleanses the alteration and those collectors seem (right or wrong) to conclude the holder validates the card.

You can go to all kinds of steps to avoid altered stuff but unless you know for sure who submitted it and you know for sure that person is not someone who alters cards, you simply have to take another leap of faith.

I’ve read several of the blowout posts, so I have a pretty good grasp on the situation, although it’s been a hot minute since the last time I last dug into a post.

I certainly fear that there’s a distinct possibility that some of my pieces might be doctored, although in the absence of more specific knowledge, it’s hard to know which pieces might be suspicious or worthy of further investigation, other than the higher value ones are naturally more likely to be tempting to a doctor who might take a former mid grade piece and transform it into a higher grade piece.

[Peter_Spaeth]

If you haven't done so, start with the database at Tiffany Cards, not necessarily to search for your specific cards, but to see if they are adjacent to outed cards and therefore likely submitted by the same folks who subbed outed cards. It's at least one point of information.
https://www.tiffanycards.com/tiffany-cards

https://www.tiffanycards.com/altered-card-database/cert

[Lorewalker]

Another thing that can be done is to check VCP to see if that card sold previously and if it was from a suspicious source. Short of knowing someone who has a great eye for detecting alterations or being able to do that yourself, this is about as good as you can do. We all might have to accept that we have altered cards in our collections. You can drive yourself nuts to the point where you no longer enjoy collecting.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by raulus

I’ve read several of the blowout posts, so I have a pretty good grasp on the situation, although it’s been a hot minute since the last time I last dug into a post.

I certainly fear that there’s a distinct possibility that some of my pieces might be doctored, although in the absence of more specific knowledge, it’s hard to know which pieces might be suspicious or worthy of further investigation, other than the higher value ones are naturally more likely to be tempting to a doctor who might take a former mid grade piece and transform it into a higher grade piece.

Figured I would catch up on some of the BO threads on card altering and a post that was tonight will definitely interest you.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=8105

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

Figured I would catch up on some of the BO threads on card altering and a post that was tonight will definitely interest you.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=8105

That was pretty lame of corndog to do this. Zero evidence of Raulus's card having actually been altered, but he posts it anyway? This is precisely the kind of stuff that causes people to roll their eyes at BODA. At some point, these guys will jump the shark for everyone. For me, it happened a long time ago. Perhaps for others, this post did the trick.

Note, the timing was not coincidental. This was a personal attack for reasons I don't know.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

Figured I would catch up on some of the BO threads on card altering and a post that was tonight will definitely interest you.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=8105

Maybe the post changed since it went up? I'm just seeing a helpful post to encourage us all to check our cards against the database.