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09-15-2023, 09:14 AM
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His numbers are compelling. The notion that he did not help his teams is, to me, just wrong. Trash him for being a dickhead, but not for his on field performance.
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09-15-2023, 09:32 AM
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He was extremely valuable to his teams. You can't judge a teams win total by the performance of one guy, especially during his Rangers years. It would be one thing if he was a starting pitching, but position players get maybe 4 at bats a game to make an impact, what about the eight other guys? Yes, the numbers were influenced by PED's but Rodriguez was an elite offensive talent, and for a good portion of his career, an elite defensive talent as well. There's a reason why the list of, hitters that reached the 600 Home Run and 3000 Hits, milestone, is so small. Hell he would've hit 700 had the Yankees not forced him into an early retirement. He was a shell by his last season, but still.
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09-15-2023, 06:21 PM
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Arguing that Rodriguez did not benefit his teams, and maybe hurt them, with his historically great performance is utterly ridiculous and unreasonable. If he did not benefits his teams with his 3 MVP’s, 140 OPS+ and 117 WAR, nobody in baseball ever has. Dislike of a person does not make any bad thing said about them true or reasonable.
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09-16-2023, 05:23 AM
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09-17-2023, 05:03 PM
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Isn't A Rod's obvious counterpart Jeter? I mean sure Jeter wasn't a power hitter, but they're inseparable as bad guy good guy. ARod's badness did a lot, IMO, to enhace Jeter's stature because Jeter was everything ARod was not despite not having nearly the same ability -- clean, modest, team oriented, clutch (by reputation anyhow).
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09-17-2023, 07:11 PM
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I went with David Ortiz because (i) at well over 500 home runs, he's a power guy like A-Rod who also had a bit of the PED taint to overcome and (ii) he seemed to be everything for the Red Sox that A-Rod wasn't for the Yankees. I think that what a previous poster said about how A-Rod makes his teams worse resonates with me in terms of perception, even if the numbers make that argument statistically questionable. Whereas with David Ortiz, it is the opposite. The clear perception (defer to diehard Red Sox fans) is that he was the cornerstone of the three WS winning teams. I don't know whether the stats actually bear that out, but it is probably considered blasphemy in the Red Sox territory to argue otherwise.
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