M101-5 Successful Farming Help Needed

[Jobu]

I have the Eddie Burns card below. To me, it looks like it is almost certainly rebacked. I don't think I have had an M101-5 before and definitely have not had a Successful Farming card. My question: Is this a skinned Burns glued to a skinned back? Is it a skinned Burns glued to a possibly complete M101-5? The card is pretty thick - the last image is this card compared to a T206. I suppose I am wondering whether a soak might reveal a complete M101-5 Successful Farming under the skinned Burns addition to the top.

Thanks

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[boneheadandrube]

There shouldn't be two colored layers like that.

[nolemmings]

Well, the first sign of something being off is that Eddie Burns is supposed to be card #17 in m101-5, and yours is #18. Because Successful Farming cards are associated with m101-5 only, your card seems dubious.

[ValKehl]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

Well, the first sign of something being off is that Eddie Burns is supposed to be card #17 in m101-5, and yours is #18. Because Successful Farming cards are associated with m101-5 only, your card seems dubious.

And, Eddie Burns is listed as being card #18 for the M101-4 sets.

[Leon]

Also, a telltale sign is that the card picture (background) looks to be the same color as the borders on yours. Those borders should be a distinctively different shade than the pic itself. Note the whiter borders on this rare Salesmans sample....

[ValKehl]

Leon, how are you able to determine that your SF card is a rare salesman's sample?

[rhettyeakley]

Originally Posted by ValKehl

Leon, how are you able to determine that your SF card is a rare salesman's sample?

The lack of a card number at bottom

[nolemmings]

Bryan, your card is interesting, and I would love to take a closer look should you care to send it. To answer your other question, I do not believe from your scans that the front is affixed to a whole different Successful Farming card, but I would need to have it in hand to better tell from thickness.

The back looks legit, and because it displays only minor creasing or wrinkling along the bottom I wonder what front damage could have prompted someone to try and place a different front photo; i.e. why go to the trouble? The front also looks legit to m101, IMO, at least from what I see (maybe a touch washed out). The problems pointing toward a possible “Frankenstein” are the numbering I mentioned and the fact that the edges do not match up–the front protrudes slightly. I also am skeptical about that darker streak that shows along the back right side from top to bottom. It looks like pressure may have been applied there to hold the front and back together. It is at a minimum a bit unnatural looking.

Anyway, here is a #17 Successful Farming Eddie Burns (not mine), later slabbed as an SGC 10.

[ValKehl]

Originally Posted by rhettyeakley

The lack of a card number at bottom

Thanks Rhett. I was looking all over the back of Leon's card for something that made it different from the back of my card. Learn something new every day!

[Rhotchkiss]

Here is another no-number salesman sample (used to be Leon’s).

[nolemmings]

Nice cards. Here is one of mine-- note they have slightly wider borders:



These should probably be called promo cards rather than salesman samples, as they were available directly from the publisher:

[Aaron Seefeldt]

My favorite of all the m101-4&5 backs

[Jobu]

Does anyone have a raw Successful Farming? And if so could you take a pic of the edge with a T206 as I have done? I am trying to figure out if it is worth giving this a soak to see what happens.

[nolemmings]

Originally Posted by Jobu

Does anyone have a raw Successful Farming? And if so could you take a pic of the edge with a T206 as I have done? I am trying to figure out if it is worth giving this a soak to see what happens.

I would not recommend soaking an m101, other than at most dabbing at it for residue removal. If you believe soaking would separate two adhered cards I think you will end up with cardboard chowder. If you are unhappy with the card and don't want much for it, I might be interested.

T206's are thinner than m101s. Also, the fact that there are different looking layers is not dispositive. Here is a Gimbels card (Al Demaree) I recently looked at from the edge view:


I have a few Successful Farming cards ungraded, and will try and hook up the microscope camera to show a comparable, but that could take a few days.