1947 Perforated Elgee (Bond Bread?) Cards Designation

[Leon]

I am trying to put a classification to these and thought I might open that debate up for a minute. According to the info I have seen these sheets were mfg by Elgee Corp?. There is a sheet with a Hess Shoes stamp but that looks to be just that, a sole stamp on a sheet. So I am thinking they were issued as full sheets, like W560, and torn apart. In that case, I would put them in a W-Unc. I am sure I am missing something here . Maybe we can revisit where the "Bond bread" references came up? (same printer?) Thanks...and I know it's not WWII or older but it's close enough!

[Exhibitman]

I'd agree with that designation as a W card. I personally would designate them as a subset of W571, which is listed in the 1960 ACC as "baseball-boxers-movies Photos (playing card style, blank back) Anon (Aarco, Collectors & Traders)" and lists the subjects from what we call the various square cornered sets.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

I'd agree with that designation as a W card. I personally would designate them as a subset of W571, which is listed in the 1960 ACC as "baseball-boxers-movies Photos (playing card style, blank back) Anon (Aarco, Collectors & Traders)" and lists the subjects from what we call the various square cornered sets.

I scoured my ACC a few times and agree on W571 except for the blank back. I am thinking W571-Unc.

What the heck with the TPGs saying these are Bond Bread?

I definitely don't agree with them on some series, but that is for another thread.
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[dbrown]

TPGs might have gotten the Bond Bread idea from this SCD story in 1993?
https://www.net54baseball.com/showpo...4&postcount=40

Part of an epic Ted Z (et al) thread from 2009 through 2020:
https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=92743

what a confusing set!

Here's a whole undetached sheet from a Leland's sale in 2021:
https://auction.lelands.com/bids/bidplace?itemid=103985

Adding:
Elgee seems to have been a (short-lived?) renaming or offshoot of Louis Greenberg & Sons, a New York company that made cheap toy and novelty products. (Get it, L-G for Louis Greenberg?) Inflatable toys, cheap harmonicas, marbles, etc., made in Japan and Taiwan. Seemed to have existed at least into the 1980s. Really low-end merchandise.

My theory, after like 8 minutes of research, is that Elgee bought the plates from Bond or whoever was printing for Bond. No permissions, no royalties, etc., in keeping with the schlocky nature of the business. Which would explain why the issue date may be 1949, later than Bond. And why the print quality is so crappy. (I didn't read all that 2009 thread to see if the plate flaws from Bond are present in the Elgee cards.)


David

[Leon]

Thanks.
These remind me of thre Derby Cigar cards that have nothing to do with Derby Cigar....
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Originally Posted by dbrown

TPGs might have gotten the Bond Bread idea from this SCD story in 1993?
https://www.net54baseball.com/showpo...4&postcount=40

Part of an epic Ted Z (et al) thread from 2009 through 2020:
https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=92743

what a confusing set!

Here's a whole undetached sheet from a Leland's sale in 2021:
https://auction.lelands.com/bids/bidplace?itemid=103985

Adding:
Elgee seems to have been a (short-lived?) renaming or offshoot of Louis Greenberg & Sons, a New York company that made cheap toy and novelty products. (Get it, L-G for Louis Greenberg?) Inflatable toys, cheap harmonicas, marbles, etc., made in Japan and Taiwan. Seemed to have existed at least into the 1980s. Really low-end merchandise.

My theory, after like 8 minutes of research, is that Elgee bought the plates from Bond or whoever was printing for Bond. No permissions, no royalties, etc., in keeping with the schlocky nature of the business. Which would explain why the issue date may be 1949, later than Bond. And why the print quality is so crappy. (I didn't read all that 2009 thread to see if the plate flaws from Bond are present in the Elgee cards.)


David

[scgaynor]

The perforated edge "Bond Bread" cards were issued in a book similar to the Bert Randolph Sugar card reproduction books of the early 1980's.

A friend had a complete booklet come into his shop a couple of years ago and sent me some photos of it (I wish I still had them). I had never seen one before, but it solved the mystery (to me) of how they were issued. It had a front and back cover and the sheets were inside.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by scgaynor

The perforated edge "Bond Bread" cards were issued in a book similar to the Bert Randolph Sugar card reproduction books of the early 1980's.

A friend had a complete booklet come into his shop a couple of years ago and sent me some photos of it (I wish I still had them). I had never seen one before, but it solved the mystery (to me) of how they were issued. It had a front and back cover and the sheets were inside.

Great info. Never heard that. Thanks Scott!
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