1958 Topps Series ???

[Kevvyg1026]

The 2nd series print run has 88 cards (111 to 198, minus 145 but an extra copy of Bunning). So, there are 8 rows of 11 cards each, with each row printed 3x across the full sheet of 264 cards (two half sheets of 132 cards each). That REA slit shows one half of the full sheet.

Similarly, the 3rd series print run has 88 cards (199 to 286), as does that of the 4th series (287 to 374).

The 5th series print run has 66 cards (375 to 440), while the 6th series printing has 55 cards (441 to 495).

The 6th series initially had 55 unique cards but apparently, at some point, cards 443, 446, 450, and 462 were pulled and replaced with additional copies of Musial AS (476) and Mantle (487). So, the later print runs had 3 copies of Musial in the row headed by Jensen and 3 copies of Mantle in the row headed by Spahn, which is probably why those two cards are listed as triple prints.

Based on the miscuts I have seen, I believe that Hardy (446) & Ward (450) were the cards that were replaced by the additional Mantle cards in columns 10 & 11 whereas Harrell (443) and Geiger (462) were the cards replaced by the additional Musial cards in columns 10 & 11.

This last series seems to be plagued by defects (scratches) on the front of the cards, so I wonder if the printing plates were damaged at some point during the print run.

I have not yet completely determined the slit pattern for the 6th series.

[Tedwilliams1918]

Here’s a picture of a bunch of my mantles with the gap in the bio I have been collecting this card for 3 years and buy anyone I see on the spot

[Tedwilliams1918]

There’s also 7 other 1958s like mantle with the same error all touching each other on the sheet I have 5/8 of these cards

Susce
Slaughter
Mantle
Virdon
Jolly
Drabowsky
Jensen
H. Sullivan

[toppcat]

A big question is whether the 3X AS cards of Mantle and Musial were replaced on both slits or just one of them. Impossible to tell unless some print scraps etc show up.. It would be kind of weird they didn't know they needed a Mantle AS card despite Musial's signing status. Mick was in the 2nd series so clearly signed with Topps for '58. I wonder if the extra Mick's are related to the plates suffering damage in light of Kevvyg1026's observations. The Musial AS's are right below the Mantle's I believe, so that area could have had damage and which also suggests only one slit was affected.

[Tedwilliams1918]

Dave H can you see my 1958 mantles I posted? Someone told me you were the man when it comes to 1958 sheets as I posted above this same error happened to 7 other players all touching mantle #150 on the sheet

[toppcat]

Originally Posted by Tedwilliams1918

Dave H can you see my 1958 mantles I posted? Someone told me you were the man when it comes to 1958 sheets as I posted above this same error happened to 7 other players all touching mantle #150 on the sheet

What you see here is what I know basically re 1958 sheets, Kevvyg10826 and a couple of other stalwarts are the real sheet whisperers. I'd say those Mantle's are just print errors that hit about 6 different cards. I do have one of the 2nd series Mantle slits scanned-he's a DP in the right-most column. This is the same series where Bouchee was replaced by an extra Bunning.

[Kevvyg1026]

Besides being above the Musial AS row, the row with the Mantle AS triple is also above Valetinetti (so the row headed by Semproch) and is also below the row with the Musial AS triple. So, the row with the Mantle AS is both above and below two different rows.

Similarly, the row with the Musial AS is both above and below two different rows. This is one reason I am perplexed about the pattern used for the two slits.

I initially thought the five unique rows were distributed across the sheet as four rows 5x, with one row 4x. I wonder, however, because of the miscuts available, if the sheet had two rows 6x, and three rows 4x.

[toppcat]

Looking at those sheet again, why on earth did they use the black and pink backgrounds at all?! Fugly.