The future of Shohei Ohtani

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by packs

Bryce Harper in 2022 pre-injury:

286 average / 364 OBP / 514 SLG / 877 OPS

Bryce Harper 2023 post-injury:

299 average / 392 OBP / 468 SLG / 860 OPS

Last 30 games
.307 average / .398 OBP / .579 SLG / .977 OPS

so it took him some time to get back to his normal level but if he can finish like this, the Phillies will be very happy with his season.

Don't forget he missed a lot of 2022 with a broken thumb and was pretty lousy hitting when he came back from that but caught fire in the playoffs and almost carried the Phillies to a World Series win.

[Peter_Spaeth]

It's unfortunate isn't it that two generational talents IMO, Trout and Harper, have both been plagued by injuries which clearly have taken away from their career resumes. Sadly, after coming back for one game and now being gone again, it's very unclear to me what will become of Trout. Harper still seems resilient.

[Shoeless Moe]

He's had 1 great week and about 20 awful weeks.

Yes he better stay hot to make up for that brutal 1st 4 months of the season.


26 million a year for 12 HRs and 47 RBIs, no thanks.........granted these will go up some with a month to go, but let's see if the Phillies even get in the Playoffs, luckily they have a soft Sept schedule, so they should.

[packs]

The point was Harper is playing at a comparable level. I posted the stats. You can feel how you want about them but they look comparable to me.

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by packs

The point was Harper is playing at a comparable level. I posted the stats. You can feel how you want about them but they look comparable to me.

I forgot you are a Yankee fan so 12 HRs and 47 RBIs looks pretty good to you. You guys arn't really familiar with offense.

To the rest of the baseball world, outside of NY, those numbers for 28 million a year are garbage.

[packs]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

I forgot you are a Yankee fan so 12 HRs and 47 RBIs looks pretty good to you. You guys arn't really familiar with offense.

To the rest of the baseball world, outside of NY, those numbers for 28 million a year are garbage.

Maybe one day we'll be able to talk about the same thing at the same time.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

He's had 1 great week and about 20 awful weeks.

Yes he better stay hot to make up for that brutal 1st 4 months of the season.


26 million a year for 12 HRs and 47 RBIs, no thanks.........granted these will go up some with a month to go, but let's see if the Phillies even get in the Playoffs, luckily they have a soft Sept schedule, so they should.

Not sure if you've been watching him play or just looking at his stats, but I've seen almost every game he's played this season. As I posted earlier, he's been hitting for average and getting on base since he came back but the power was not there. Over the last month (not just 1 week), he's been hitting the way he is capable of so it looks like it just took some time for him to really fully recover from the surgery and return in just over 5 months. If he plays the remaining 30+ games of the season like he's played the past 30 games, the Phillies will be very happy with his overall season.

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by jayshum

but caught fire in the playoffs and almost carried the Phillies to a World Series win.

Yes, he indeed did do that. Tremendous in the Playoffs, although a little dissapointing in the WS. I'm just saying this season has been brutal up until a week or so ago.

We'll see how he finishes.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

Yes, he indeed did do that. Tremendous in the Playoffs, although a little dissapointing in the WS. I'm just saying this season has been brutal up until a week or so ago.

We'll see how he finishes.

More than just the last week. Last 30 games:

307 average / .398 OBP / .579 SLG / .977 OPS

[Peter_Spaeth]

I've always loved Harper. Any time they want to send him to Boston is good by me.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I've always loved Harper. Any time they want to send him to Boston is good by me.

He seems pretty happy in Philly and I think has a no trade clause. With the DH in the NL now, no reason to move him to the AL for the last few years when he's likely in decline. Maybe Boston can sign him for a few years when he's 39 and his contact has ended.

[Seven]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I've always loved Harper. Any time they want to send him to Boston is good by me.

Plays the game with fire and with passion. 2 Time MVP, I'd take him on my roster any day of the week.

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by Seven

Plays the game with fire and with passion. 2 Time MVP, I'd take him on my roster any day of the week.

The discussion is not on Harper's past performance. Yes has had a very good career. Stud. The question at hand is how does a hitter do after 2 TJ's.

So we are only looking at his current season. Batting Average is high which is very good, but the power looks to be zapped (12 HRs & 47 RBI).......but his bat recently came to life so maybe he'll be fine. Time will tell.

But 2 years now of less than Harper-like numbers, he's 30 and should be in his prime. 18 HR / 65 RBI last year and 12 HR / 47 RBI so far this year. Pretty ugly for a 3 or 4 hitter getting 26 Million per year.

He ranks 145th in HRs and 131st in RBIs this season.

Hopefully we'll get a full season out of him next year.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

The discussion is not on Harper's past performance. Yes has had a very good career. Stud. The question at hand is how does a hitter do after 2 TJ's.

So we are only looking at his current season. Batting Average is high which is very good, but the power looks to be zapped (12 HRs & 47 RBI).......but his bat recently came to life so maybe he'll be fine. Time will tell.

But 2 years now of less than Harper-like numbers, he's 30 and should be in his prime. 18 HR / 65 RBI last year and 12 HR / 47 RBI so far this year. Pretty ugly for a 3 or 4 hitter getting 26 Million per year.

He ranks 145th in HRs and 131st in RBIs this season.

Hopefully we'll get a full season out of him next year.

I'm a little confused now. Harper hasn't had 2 Tommy John surgeries. He only played 99 games in 2022 mainly because he missed time with a broken thumb after getting hit by a pitch so his home runs and RBIs were down because he only had 370 ABs. Also, before the injury, he was having a solid season, but when he came back, he was pretty bad until getting hot in the playoffs.

I'm not aware of any hitters that have returned after 2 Tommy John surgeries so Ohtani may be there first to do it. However, since it is apparently possible to hit with a torn ligament that requires the surgery (like Harper last year and Ohtani currently), it would seem likely that Ohtani should be able to be an effective hitter eventually next year and beyond even if he doesn't pitch again.