Mantle vs. Clemente

[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by raulus

Definitely one of life's great mysteries.

However, one thing I did notice is that the Clemente is only miscut top-bottom. Left-right, it's still OC, but not so extreme as to be miscut.

Mantle appears to be miscut both top-bottom and left-right.

At the same time, I don't see why it shouldn't get a SGC 1. Then again, I've never submitted to SGC, so know nothing about their approach.

Could just be one of those charming idiosyncrasies that endears the TPGs that much more to all of us as the collecting public.

Yeah, you can only see two of the Mantle's borders, and you can see 3 of Clemente's.

Clemente's corners are much sharper too.

[Exhibitman]

Trying to figure out this sort of stuff is like trying to reason with a barnyard animal.

[oldjudge]

Both horribly centered but the Clemente has better corners

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Both horribly centered but the Clemente has better corners

+1

[bcbgcbrcb]

Maybe I didn’t explain my question clearly enough. I agree with everyone that the Clemente card is in better condition than the Mantle card. I want to know what justification that SGC has for the unwillingness to give the Mantle card a numerical grade at all. It’s not as far off-center on any border as the Clemente.

In my opinion, if I submit that Clemente to either PSA or SGC, it comes back unholdered by both because it is miscut too badly. I would love to know who the submitter was to SGC on that Clemente card. My guess is that it’s a major one. Otherwise, SGC is 1,000% dead wrong for not crossing my Mantle card to at least a 1. In my opinion, should be more like a 1.5 or 2 but giving it the benefit of the doubt here.

[raulus]

Show us the backs, please.

[perezfan]

Don't try to apply reason. It just illustrates the random nature of third party grading. You are completely at the whim of which grader reviews it, and their frame of mind that day.

Maybe the Mantle grader had hemorrhoids or failed to perform sexually that morning. Maybe the Clemente grader made all of the green lights on his way to work and got the best parking spot in the SGC lot.

The more you try to apply reason, the more frustrated you'll become. Bottom line... the 3rd party concept is flawed and was created to benefit them (not you).