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That is very true! When, I read my friends post, I did say to myself, "This had to have been posted to Net54" and I did search for a thread. I just could not remember seeing the thread. Once I found the thread, I remembered having seen your thread earlier this month.
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The 3 new guys, Joe, Brian and Jim, are very qualified to run the show and I am excited, from what I've heard so far.
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I can only hope they bring the biggest card show in the nation to the 21st century. Don't cater to 15 old school dealers that have "tenure", the days of Mr Mint at the front entrance are over. Cater to the guy who brings 5k-100K plus to spend on cards. If you've ever been to an art auction you know what I mean.
Bad logistics, bad bathrooms, bad food, bad air conditioning, bad venue, untrained staff? None of that is acceptable today, it's shameful that people are eating off the floor. Too many people? Double the price of admission, incentivize the dealers that bring product to sell, plenty of ways to do that. Dump the museum display dealers and the tire kicking public, you don't need them. Fer gawds sake, categorize the floor like auction houses do, no modern guy wants to wade through pre war, no pre war guy wants to look at 56 Jackies to get to a Plows Candy or Texas Tommy. Im not a fan of fanatics but I'm curious to see their first show and their solutions to these problems. Last edited by Casey2296; 08-23-2023 at 11:30 PM. |
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Kyle Robertson and his DCS team are doing just fine with their shows which appeal to both the people with $$$ to burn and collectors with a few $$ to spend. Their latest airport show drew over 1K people for 2 days and there was a mix of cards from a quarter to thousands of dollars. Works just fine. And as for the venue used for the NSCC, yes there are issues but much as you wish this was not true, the tables are sold each year on a priority basis and as such, the dealers, who are making a significant financial effort to be there. (it's a minimum of 3K for the week unless you live close enough to drive home each night) have a right to keep their tables as long as they pay for them each year. It is not our responsibility for deciding what they can and can not bring with them to any show.
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I produced events for 25 years and found the three most important things are Product, (in my case live music, in your case, sportscards) Vendor experience, and Customer experience. Each of those may take priority over the others at different times during the event but none are more important than the other and each must complement the other for a successful event IMO. While my events were usually 1/10 of the National, about 10,000 people, I would experience some of the same challenges. I'd have people lined up 5 hours before the show and they'd get edgy. My solution was to hire entertainers and food vendors to walk the line and make people comfortable. Not suggesting that for the National but it worked for me. The other thing that I made sure of was the toilets were always clean and stocked with TP. I hired extra help to do that but as they say "you're only as good as your customers worst memory of your event". I'm sure the new Team will identify what needs to be done to improve their event moving forward, as you know, promotion is just a series of problems that need solving. |
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Pulling up a map of the floor on your phone, with different areas clearly deliniated. Very 2005.
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This new National committee will need to figure out what they actually want the show to be going forward (ie more fan experience, more corporate or less, more dealers, trade nights, seminars, live auctions, etc,...). Of course, most on this forum will probably want just dealers selling vintage baseball cards & memorabilia.
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I've seen this suggestion a lot. Frankly, there are far fewer people looking at vintage. If you put all the shiny stuff in one area - you wouldn't be able to move with the masses of people. Mixing vintage guys in with the shiny people makes the mass even out some.
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I'm not sure segregating by product type is a good idea as a lot of dealers have a mix and many people collect both vintage and modern. An app where each dealer can list some specialty areas would help. But for Rosemont some corporate stuff could move upstairs I would think. Maybe even the graders and authenticators could be put up there exclusively, although I doubt there's really a full solution to any of the space issues.
Chairs in the DRS main food concession area again would be nice; I recall numerous tables and chairs there in 2019 and earlier. Agree the bathrooms at the Stevens Center are a disgusting, problematic mess. Opening more hotel rooms with Conf. Housing rates would be great too but I'm not sure the hotels would play along. But it was a problem last year and again this year where the dealers basically ate up all the associated rates, at least in the immediate vicinity, before the collectors could even take a crack. Last edited by toppcat; 08-24-2023 at 10:20 AM. |
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The National as a Fan Experience is interesting but not sure it would draw but a small fraction of something like Comic-Con. I will never understand the people that advocate for that type of approach for the National. I feel the show would die in short order. We don’t have people dressing up and cosplaying as Shohei Ohtani because he is their favorite ballplayer!🤣
Just completely different niches. The Corporate part of the National has gotten so big but other than standing in line to get free packs from Topps/Fanatics for buying their product at the show what exactly was happening over there for most of the show? Nothing. I hope the show doesn’t turn into something where the average dealer gets priced out and only the larger outfits get the decent floor space.
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I would so much love to see this. Tired of the same dealers with the same merchandise. The biggest reason I no longer attend. Even if it was held in the uber-precious Chicago venue year after year, I'd still manage to show up on occasion if the lottery system was in place. Variety gets everyone's attention.
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The last two posts are spot on it would be refreshing and nice to see different cards then the same thing year after year. Getting a new blood of vintage dealers with a good mix of the old would be extremely healthy:-)
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As obvious as it is to state this, the only thing I would add to my last post is that if a lottery system was to be enacted, it would have to make sure to incorporate healthy percentages of both vintage and modern dealers in an effort to not have this table space monopolized by modern.
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