Real curious to see National reports

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by Hankphenom

I'm not trying to pick a fight with you, Justin, and I have never felt a need to agree with anybody I don't agree with. I just don't see much difference, if any, between what you have said at great length and what I said in summary.

No fight Hank and my apologies if it sounded that way. I was just discussing my personal thoughts on it.

[taul166]

Remember how "hot" Collectable (fractional ownership) was before and at the time of last year's National?

[Exhibitman]

Modern is volatile AF, just the nature of the beast. Always has been (Gregg Jeffries RCs, anyone?). The guys who focus there must enjoy grabbing a tiger by the tail. As was said, they don't have the experience of the past boom and bust cycles, so they just have to learn what happens as it happens. Us old farts are so jaded that we sometimes forget that this is new stuff to the newbs. We can warn all we like, and we can be right, but the kids won't listen to us any more than our own kids listen to us.

When it comes to modern card collectors and newbs, I just try to enjoy the schadenfreude moments as they come. They always do. The death spiral is inevitable, so I just watch the flippers flailing on the way down, then I buy what I want when it bottoms out. That's how I got most of my modern cards. Plucking yesterday's hot insert cards out of a dollar box, very satisfying.

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Modern is volatile AF, just the nature of the beast. Always has been (Gregg Jeffries RCs, anyone?). The guys who focus there must enjoy grabbing a tiger by the tail. As was said, they don't have the experience of the past boom and bust cycles, so they just have to learn what happens as it happens. Us old farts are so jaded that we sometimes forget that this is new stuff to the newbs. We can warn all we like, and we can be right, but the kids won't listen to us any more than our own kids listen to us.

When it comes to modern card collectors and newbs, I just try to enjoy the schadenfreude moments as they come. They always do. The death spiral is inevitable, so I just watch the flippers flailing on the way down, then I buy what I want when it bottoms out. That's how I got most of my modern cards. Plucking yesterday's hot insert cards out of a dollar box, very satisfying.

Two years ago a Philly show, my son really wanted a red wave Jonathan Taylor numbered to X. According to my son, it was a “great deal” at $850. I told him I would buy him a Walter Payton rookie for $850 and he said no, bc when Jonathan Taylor wins MVP his card will be worth double. I asked what would you do then, and he said I will sell the Taylor and buy a Walter Payton rookie! After a big fight, I acquiesced and he bought the card. Taylor did not win MVP, he had a bad season next year, and the card is likely worth nothing. Walter Payton’s rookie is at least worth 70% of what it was (in like a 6). At least my son acknowledges this now, but he still wants the hot player of the day, not the dead all time great

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Two years ago a Philly show, my son really wanted a red wave Jordan Taylor numbered to X. It was a “great deal” at $850. I told him I would buy him a Walter Payton rookie for $850 and he said no, bc when Jordan taylor wins MVP his card will be worth double. I asked what would you do then, and he said I will sell the Taylor and buy a Walter Payton rookie! After a big fight, I acquiesced and he bought the card. Taylor did not win MVP, he had a bad season next year, and the card is likely worth nothing. Walter Payton’s rookie is at least worth 70% of what it was (in like a 6). At least my son acknowledges this now, but he still wants the hot player of the day, not the dead all time great

Which is how kids collect. The thing that is new is the level of cost and sheer speed with which cards hit that level. I mean, spending 4-5-6 figures on a card of a rookie and holding it, there ought to be a picture of the 'investor' in the encyclopedia under the heading "dumbass".

[brianp-beme]

As a Prewar collector, I like to refer to the players I collect as being 'morbidly deceased'.


Brian (at least when I started collecting there were players from the PreWW2 era that were alive, so thankfully, and for sanity's sake, I can classify my collecting obsession as being healthy and not morbid)

[ahmanfan]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Two years ago a Philly show, my son really wanted a red wave Jordan Taylor numbered to X. It was a “great deal” at $850. I told him I would buy him a Walter Payton rookie for $850 and he said no, bc when Jordan taylor wins MVP his card will be worth double. I asked what would you do then, and he said I will sell the Taylor and buy a Walter Payton rookie! After a big fight, I acquiesced and he bought the card. Taylor did not win MVP, he had a bad season next year, and the card is likely worth nothing. Walter Payton’s rookie is at least worth 70% of what it was (in like a 6). At least my son acknowledges this now, but he still wants the hot player of the day, not the dead all time great

The driver? Oh boy… niche as niche gets.


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[Jdoggs]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Two years ago a Philly show, my son really wanted a red wave Jordan Taylor numbered to X. It was a “great deal” at $850. I told him I would buy him a Walter Payton rookie for $850 and he said no, bc when Jordan taylor wins MVP his card will be worth double. I asked what would you do then, and he said I will sell the Taylor and buy a Walter Payton rookie! After a big fight, I acquiesced and he bought the card. Taylor did not win MVP, he had a bad season next year, and the card is likely worth nothing. Walter Payton’s rookie is at least worth 70% of what it was (in like a 6). At least my son acknowledges this now, but he still wants the hot player of the day, not the dead all time great

Jonathan Taylor?

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by Jdoggs

Jonathan Taylor?

Yup, and I am a Badger and should know that!! I will edit. Thanks

[gabrinus]

Ryan, as a Razorback we both have this in common...Jerry

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Two years ago a Philly show, my son really wanted a red wave Jordan Taylor numbered to X. It was a “great deal” at $850. I told him I would buy him a Walter Payton rookie for $850 and he said no, bc when Jordan taylor wins MVP his card will be worth double. I asked what would you do then, and he said I will sell the Taylor and buy a Walter Payton rookie! After a big fight, I acquiesced and he bought the card. Taylor did not win MVP, he had a bad season next year, and the card is likely worth nothing. Walter Payton’s rookie is at least worth 70% of what it was (in like a 6). At least my son acknowledges this now, but he still wants the hot player of the day, not the dead all time great

By not experiencing the early 1990's, he was condemned to learning an expensive lesson. Makes you wonder if he'll be relaying a similar story with his kid 30 years from now.

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by JustinD

No fight Hank and my apologies if it sounded that way. I was just discussing my personal thoughts on it.

No worries, Justin, and I do appreciate your very thoughtful analyses.