REA Auction - Noting prior work done to cards

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by packs

I would agree. The unknown in this instance is how much scrutiny was raised about the cards, if at all, prior to disclosing their history.

I am sure it was disclosed upfront or maybe even prior to giving a green light to the work. I am just not overjoyed by one more instance of privileges granted to some and not to all.

[ullmandds]

As someone elsewhere noted...there appears to be some loss on the back of the doyle from removal. Should this warrant a 3.5? There is no question that all submitters are NOT created equal. Guessing if I submitted same card with same qualifications it'd be in an A/1-2 holder.

[parkplace33]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

As someone elsewhere noted...there appears to be some loss on the back of the doyle from removal. Should this warrant a 3.5? There is no question that all submitters are NOT created equal. Guessing if I submitted same card with same qualifications it'd be in an A/1-2 holder.

That card is 100 percent not a 3.5. I think 2, maybe a 2.5 at best.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

As someone elsewhere noted...there appears to be some loss on the back of the doyle from removal. Should this warrant a 3.5? There is no question that all submitters are NOT created equal. Guessing if I submitted same card with same qualifications it'd be in an A/1-2 holder.

LOLOL. I had not even looked at the card. Just did. There is light scuffing all over the back. The stains on the front appear muted but that could be the scan. Also the right edge appears different than the left edge but that could be the SGC gasket. Either way the scuffing on the reverse puts it in a 2 category, imo.

Wonder if the card was presented to PSA first and did not grade or if work was disclosed and PSA said do not bother submitting it? Not that PSA is some pillar of ethics or anything.

Awesome so not only does it get over graded but the submitter has access to the graders to explain work that was done. Good thing it is only a Doyle variation and not an important card int he hobby.

[Yoda]

I agree with Jay. Removing the moisture stain is a card alteration. The card should grade authentic.

[mrreality68]

I love and respect the disclosures.

That adds greater trust to the auction house and allows the bidders to decide what to do based on their preferences and beliefs.

Especially with high end rare cards.

Both are great cards and I hope it makes it into someone collection on this board.

[Republicaninmass]

Sgc was a good idea for that card

Someone will try and cross it, and wonder why it won't make it.

[Johnny630]

Is Conservation Now Being Accepted by SGC to receive a number grade without disclosure of the work???

Great Job REA for disclosing...my question is why doesn't SGC’s grade on the Doyle say “RESORED”

Maybe sgc changed it's standards and allows work?

[hlucas92]

It doesn’t say it was restored. Just removed from a scrapbook. PSA grades those as well. The PSA 2 Doyle that sold at Mile High was also removed from a scrapbook.

[G1911]

If this is a 3.5, I’m a 9.

Just as the 9.5 Mantle, SGC is clearly happy to over grade big name cards to get more attention and sales records for their slabs. And it will work, as ‘collectors’ don’t seem to care about reality but the number on the paper slip.

The Plank should be an A. The Doyle I would get a 2 if I sent a common in the exact same condition.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by G1911

If this is a 3.5, I’m a 9.

Just as the 9.5 Mantle, SGC is clearly happy to over grade big name cards to get more attention and sales records for their slabs. And it will work, as ‘collectors’ don’t seem to care about reality but the number on the paper slip.

The Plank should be an A. The Doyle I would get a 2 if I sent a common in the exact same condition.

Dunno if you are a 9 or not but the comment gets a 10. Exactly my point. As great as the disclosure is I am very uneasy with the rest of the story surrounding both cards. I am far from a purest but I call bullshit on the whole thing. If SGC or PSA is not going to do this for you then they should not be doing it for REA or REA's higher profile consignor. I get 60s commons booted for fucking min size from both companies.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

If this is a 3.5, I’m a 9.

Just as the 9.5 Mantle, SGC is clearly happy to over grade big name cards to get more attention and sales records for their slabs. And it will work, as ‘collectors’ don’t seem to care about reality but the number on the paper slip.

The Plank should be an A. The Doyle I would get a 2 if I sent a common in the exact same condition.

They mete and dole unequal grades iunto a savage hobby.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

As someone elsewhere noted...there appears to be some loss on the back of the doyle from removal. Should this warrant a 3.5? There is no question that all submitters are NOT created equal. Guessing if I submitted same card with same qualifications it'd be in an A/1-2 holder.

Wrong. All submitters are equal. But some are more equal than others.