Hey, pennant guys

[thetahat]

So the beautiful Collegiate 3D Dodgers pennant just sold for a good price on Heritage. Looks flawless except for three tiny uniform holes. I think there was once something attached to his left hand, vaguely remember seeing something. No image searches show it however. It also looks like the bum was drawn as if he’s meant to be holding something. The Heritage pennant shows two neat holes on opposite sides of his hand, identical to the single hole by the knapsack where I think it was once pinned down. I asked Heritage about the two holes during the auction and they added that to the description without elaborating. Some pics of others don’t show the holes at all.

So I was wondering if anyone has info about this. I own the 3D Giants and the Yankees and both have more 3D parts to them, the Dodgers just has the bat and knapsack.

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by thetahat

So the beautiful Collegiate 3D Dodgers pennant just sold for a good price on Heritage. Looks flawless except for three tiny uniform holes. I think there was once something attached to his left hand, vaguely remember seeing something. No image searches show it however. It also looks like the bum was drawn as if he’s meant to be holding something. The Heritage pennant shows two neat holes on opposite sides of his hand, identical to the single hole by the knapsack where I think it was once pinned down. I asked Heritage about the two holes during the auction and they added that to the description without elaborating. Some pics of others don’t show the holes at all.

So I was wondering if anyone has info about this. I own the 3D Giants and the Yankees and both have more 3D parts to them, the Dodgers just has the bat and knapsack.

Greg: As you know, I made a reproduction of this Dodgers 3-D pennant a few years ago over on Pennant Factory. For a variety of reasons, I had to draw the bum artwork free-hand, so I studied the artist's work in close detail. When I got to his outstretched left hand, I made the same observation....

Not because of any holes present; but, because of the way the artist drew the fingers. It's an odd pose ... almost like he should be clutching something that would hang below his hand? What else would belong in that hand? Maybe the handle of a plastic lantern ... but the lanterns never arrived on time?? (That actually wouldn't have looked too bad.)

Be that as it may, I don't think there was ever any intention by Collegiate of Ames of placing anything in this hand. I've never seen another of these with holes in those same spots. Since Collegiate used real wool, this pennant's holes were likely just made by a critter looking to feast on a 70/30 wool/rayon blend.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Domer05

Greg: As you know, I made a reproduction of this Dodgers 3-D pennant a few years ago over on Pennant Factory. For a variety of reasons, I had to draw the bum artwork free-hand, so I studied the artist's work in close detail. When I got to his outstretched left hand, I made the same observation....

Not because of any holes present; but, because of the way the artist drew the fingers. It's an odd pose ... almost like he should be clutching something that would hang below his hand? What else would belong in that hand? Maybe the handle of a plastic lantern ... but the lanterns never arrived on time?? (That actually wouldn't have looked too bad.)

Be that as it may, I don't think there was ever any intention by Collegiate of Ames of placing anything in this hand. I've never seen another of these with holes in those same spots. Since Collegiate used real wool, this pennant's holes were likely just made by a critter looking to feast on a 70/30 wool/rayon blend.

My first inclination was the exact same. But on closer inspection, I don't think it's a stretch to surmise the Bum was holding something in that left hand. Why else would the artist portray it in that awkward and unnatural position?

I don't know if there's any significance to the two tiny holes, but perhaps the Bum was meant to be holding a cigar or a bottle of booze. Willard Mullin often portrayed the famed Brooklyn Bum in that manner. And perhaps that feature never came to fruition or was scrapped because it might be deemed too controversial or inappropriate for kids. Just brainstorming since the positioning of the left hand bugs me as well.

[ooo-ribay]

Bottle of booze sounds very feasible.

[bocca001]

This almost looks new. Could not ask for better color. It had tassels at some point, but they were cut. That would usually be a no-go for me, but this pennant is very rare in this color and it looks so good otherwise.

[ooo-ribay]

Nice pickup, Marc! 👍

Carlton posted a picture of a green, oversized White Sox pennant in the National thread. Is that the same ebay one that was recently discussed in this thread?

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Nice pickup, Marc! 👍

Carlton posted a picture of a green, oversized White Sox pennant in the National thread. Is that the same ebay one that was recently discussed in this thread?

Yes... same exact one. I met with the fellow who bought it. Kind of a nice story, as he meant to bid on it when it was on eBay. But he got distracted and was lamenting the fact that he missed it.

Turns out the eBay buyer was a flipper and it eventually made it's way back to my collector buddy via The National. It looked REALLY nice in person... super rich green felt and amazing crossed bats and ornate font graphics.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by bocca001

This almost looks new. Could not ask for better color. It had tassels at some point, but they were cut. That would usually be a no-go for me, but this pennant is very rare in this color and it looks so good otherwise.

Nice .. colors are fantastic

[bocca001]

Thanks to Football Rob for snagging this one for me. It (in any color) has been elusive.

[Huck]

Originally Posted by perezfan

My first inclination was the exact same. But on closer inspection, I don't think it's a stretch to surmise the Bum was holding something in that left hand. Why else would the artist portray it in that awkward and unnatural position?

I don't know if there's any significance to the two tiny holes, but perhaps the Bum was meant to be holding a cigar or a bottle of booze. Willard Mullin often portrayed the famed Brooklyn Bum in that manner. And perhaps that feature never came to fruition or was scrapped because it might be deemed too controversial or inappropriate for kids. Just brainstorming since the positioning of the left hand bugs me as well.

Below novice of a pennant collector. Saw this...

https://robertedwardauctions.com/auc...sional-pennant

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Huck

Below novice of a pennant collector. Saw this...

https://robertedwardauctions.com/auc...sional-pennant

Yeah... all of the examples found online show the left hand empty. I guess it's fun to surmise that some original component is missing, but there is zero proof of it. The positioning of his hand still bugs me, but I refuse to lose sleep over it, haha.

[aelefson]

Hi-

I got both of the pennants pictured below at the Brimfield antique show in July. I traded with a friend to get the basketball pennant and I bought the football one at the end of the week. The basketball one is oversized and has a tag on the back showing Pacific Pennant & Advertising CO 244-245 New High Street Los Angeles California. The football one is for a game that benefits the Shriner's hospitals and is between High School all star teams from Vermont and New Hampshire. The game is still played today.
https://shrinemaplesugarbowl.com/index.html

Alan

[Writehooks]

It's been awhile since a boxing pennant has been showcased here so I thought I'd post this ultra-rare example, just back from the framer. It commemorates the world heavyweight title fight at Maple Leaf Gardens on March 29, 1966 -- the first time Ali was forced to go the 15-round limit.