Need help on this Mantle please...

[rand1com]

So who is the arbiter as to authenticity since neither of the combatants have the item in hand to submit for authentication to any 3rd party? The online opinions are not trustworthy as you have no idea who looks at the scans/pictures of the autograph.

[A2000]

If you guys don’t trust the TPAs to look at Mickey mantle, I seriously don’t know what to tell you.

I’m sure Chris Williams will be able to let you guys know this is a forgery but I haven’t seen him on here in awhile.

[rand1com]

Originally Posted by A2000

If you guys don’t trust the TPAs to look at Mickey mantle, I seriously don’t know what to tell you.

I’m sure Chris Williams will be able to let you guys know this is a forgery but I haven’t seen him on here in awhile.

The third parties are fine as long as they have the actual item in hand and not a picture of one because someone has to actually sign the LOA or rejection letter.

The online opinions may be looked at by anybody that works for the company and there is ZERO accountability because NO ONE signs anything. They do not tell you who reviewed the item. They don't even guarantee that they will stand behind their own online opinion.

So if Christopher Williams opines that it is indeed authentic, does that end it?

[shelly]

I have sent the picture to Ken Golden and Scott Stimmel two outstanding autograph people. Let's see what they say. If nothing, then i will go with Chris
By the way there are five yeas to one ney. I should win on that alone.

I asked you before. please show me another example I have shown two.

[eastonfalcon19]

There's people on this board including Shelly who I would trust over any 3rd party's opinion. Also FWIW, Shelly has been on point with every autograph I've asked help with over the years. So A2000, as my dad used to say to my mom when he came home from an auction "GET THE CHECKBOOK OUT".

[A2000]

Shelly, you're asking me to show you examples of this FORGERY? Why would I keep examples of such an obvious forgery?

PSA/DNA quick opinion and Beckett Signature Review are done by their respective authenticators, but that's not enough? On something as easy and common as Mickey Mantle? The TPAs have done thousands upon thousands of Mantles, and even the biggest TPA haters would acknowledge their accuracy on him is very reliable.

[HOFAUTOS]

This is bad and there are other Mantle inscribed versions using this same forgery style. You’ll also find it on bats. Some originated from American Memorabilia in their early days and had 100% Authentic coas. No authenticator will pass this. It’s a quick fail just like other common Mantle forgery styles.

[shelly]

Originally Posted by HOFAUTOS

This is bad and there are other Mantle inscribed versions using this same forgery style. You’ll also find it on bats. Some originated from American Memorabilia in their early days and had 100% Authentic coas. No authenticator will pass this. It’s a quick fail just like other common Mantle forgery styles.

Forget all the writeing on the piece. Are you saying the signiture is a easy forgery?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by A2000

If you guys don’t trust the TPAs to look at Mickey mantle, I seriously don’t know what to tell you.

I’m sure Chris Williams will be able to let you guys know this is a forgery but I haven’t seen him on here in awhile.

Chris and I communicated not long ago. He's not in the hobby like he used to be. Also, please put your full name out here per the rules AND please pm me. thanks
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[A2000]

Originally Posted by Leon

Chris and I communicated not long ago. He's not in the hobby like he used to be. Also, please put your full name out here per the rules AND please pm me. thanks
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Pm sent

[shelly]

I dont want to argue about this. If someone can proof it is bad I will pay. Untill then I stand by what i said. I trust Deluth and Chuck more than the tpa's. I only do Mantle's and Williams. I have made mistakes but over the last twenty years I have been very consistant along with Chuck, Deluth,Chris and a few others. We have saved people a great deal of money at no cost.
Like i said you have to prove me wrong not the other way.

Your statement:
Shelly, you're asking me to show you examples of this FORGERY? Why would I keep examples of such an obvious forgery?

This is a perfect reason why you should keep and example