Should these 3 players be in the HOF

[SyrNy1960]

If Rose retired as a player from baseball, was elected to the HOF, then later managed and did what he did, he would still be in the HOF.

Rose 100% HOFer 👍🏻⚾️

[frankbmd]

HEDs need to be marketed to the BWAA members qualified to vote.

What are HEDs you ask?

Halloffame Enhancing Drugs.

I don't waste my time arguing about who should or shouldn't be in the Hall. This forum seems to love it.

I also don't give a damn about the Oscars, the Tonys, the Emmys or the Espys.

Self-aggrandizing awards mean nothing to me. After I'm gone, if someone wants
to build a monument with my likeness cast in stone, so be it.

And I also won't care if the monument is vandalized and destroyed by the "activists du jour" at some point in the future.

[Bigdaddy]

Originally Posted by 3arod13

If Rose retired as a player from baseball, was elected to the HOF, then later managed and did what he did, he would still be in the HOF.

Rose 100% HOFer 👍🏻⚾️

Very similar to what Bowie Kuhn did to Willie (1979) and Mickey (1983) in regards to their involvement with the casinos in Vegas. Willie even had to resign his position with the Mets. At the time however, the HOF didn't have a rule about inductees being on the ineligible list, so they didn't take any action. Would have been interesting if they did have the rule in place.

Peter Ueberroth later revoked their suspensions in 1984, soon after taking on the commissioner position.

[Fred]

Based on numbers? Yes, the numbers scream YES!

Now trying to get people to admit them based on character is a different question.

All three are LIARS - yes, we're probably all guilty of lying at some point in time but what these guys lied about had to do with BASEBALL.

I'm not going to get sanctimonious here, but "say it aint so" Pete, Barry and Roger.

What I liked about another player with monster numbers is he didn't lie and fessed up, and still not in the HOF. Props to McGwire for being honest. Now Palmeiro is another story - he flat out lied under oath. What a clown. He put up some seriously great offensive numbers but flat out lying to congress and the people was offensive in the wrong way.

That said, I say let all three in and then open it up to all the other PED abusers (ok Rose aint one of those guys) and enshrine them after they've gone. At least they'll know they're going in, they just won't see the induction ceremony.

I'd have been a hanging judge for sure back in the day...

Edited to add - Induct Rose now before he's dead because for some reason or other I bet he didn't bet against his teams - that would just seem to go against his grain.

[rand1com]

Originally Posted by Fred

Based on numbers? Yes, the numbers scream YES!

Now trying to get people to admit them based on character is a different question.

All three are LIARS - yes, we're probably all guilty of lying at some point in time but what these guys lied about had to do with BASEBALL.

I'm not going to get sanctimonious here, but "say it aint so" Pete, Barry and Roger.

What I liked about another player with monster numbers is he didn't lie and fessed up, and still not in the HOF. Props to McGwire for being honest. Now Palmeiro is another story - he flat out lied under oath. What a clown. He put up some seriously great offensive numbers but flat out lying to congress and the people was offensive in the wrong way.

That said, I say let all three in and then open it up to all the other PED abusers (ok Rose aint one of those guys) and enshrine them after they've gone. At least they'll know they're going in, they just won't see the induction ceremony.

I'd have been a hanging judge for sure back in the day...

Edited to add - Induct Rose now before he's dead because for some reason or other I bet he didn't bet against his teams - that would just seem to go against his grain.

Sorry, in 2005 in front of the US Senate, McGwire refused to answer any questions about his steroid use. Only 5 years later when he wanted to become a hitting coach did he admit guilt. His confession was not quite as cut and dry as you insinuate. He only admitted it when he had something to gain from doing it.

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by rand1com

Sorry, in 2005 in front of the US Senate, McGwire refused to answer any questions about his steroid use. Only 5 years later when he wanted to become a hitting coach did he admit guilt. His confession was not quite as cut and dry as you insinuate. He only admitted it when he had something to gain from doing it.

and Sammy Sosa forgot how to speak english and Rafael Palmeiro sad he does not do it and then got busted weeks later.

It is all the life and entertainment of the sports.

But back to basics. To many players did it and we will never truly know how many did both pitchers and players and some guilty are going to sneak in and some innocent are going to miss out. And sadly some clean ones get over shadowed and missed there time to shine