Is having provenance or a pedigree on holder good

[vthobby]

I traded letters with Lionel Carter many years ago.

I enjoy seeing his cards in SGC holders. Nice Chase Chris!

Wow!

[DeanH3]

I think it certainly helps, especially from a pioneer. Some really nice examples posted thus far. My one and only.

[parkplace33]

Beyond over rated. The card/item is the only thing that matters.

[Exhibitman]

Provenance increases the collectibility of items in every collectibles field, cards included. The proof is in the responses here: about half of the posters consider it a plus and presumably paid up to get it. It is akin to an autograph. Knowing that the person owned the item and presumably handled it adds a dimension to the story of the item. Judged on its merits, the Wagner is just another trimmed card in a PSA 8 holder, but add Gretzky-McNall, et al, and the story is a lot more compelling.

[clamendo]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Provenance increases the collectibility of items in every collectibles field, cards included. The proof is in the responses here: about half of the posters consider it a plus and presumably paid up to get it. It is akin to an autograph. Knowing that the person owned the item and presumably handled it adds a dimension to the story of the item. Judged on its merits, the Wagner is just another trimmed card in a PSA 8 holder, but add Gretzky-McNall, et al, and the story is a lot more compelling.

I agree. Here’s a short video where Marshall Fogel explains the Sotheby’s auction of the Copeland collection (@ the 3min 50 sec mark) where the Wagner was sold. Lots of excitement. It was a watershed event for the Sports Memorabilia hobby. Going after high grade, third party authentication, dedicated sports auctions.

https://youtu.be/eWgcyOxSnHk

BTW - It ain’t easy to get a pedigree, especially now. So you better have great backup and it better be something significant.


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[atx840]

Originally Posted by vthobby

I traded letters with Lionel Carter many years ago.

Very cool.

I have a pic of it in his binder

[steve B]

It's important in other hobbies just to different degrees. Super important in some, not as much in others.

To me it matters depending on exactly who had it before.
For example, I have a couple stamps from FDRs collection - he was a collector, involved in choosing the designs for stamps while president, but somewhat oddly, didn't have many really valuable items.

I have a few other things from great collections, and they can be fun. Most big collections had a load of cheap things alongside the nicer ones.

I don't have cards with a provenance, but if I had a choice between one with and one without and they were equal I'd take the one with.

[Beercan collector]

Originally Posted by steve B

It's important in other hobbies just to different degrees. Super important in some, not as much in others.

To me it matters depending on exactly who had it before.
For example, I have a couple stamps from FDRs collection - he was a collector, involved in choosing the designs for stamps while president, but somewhat oddly, didn't have many really valuable items.

I have a few other things from great collections, and they can be fun. Most big collections had a load of cheap things alongside the nicer ones.

I don't have cards with a provenance, but if I had a choice between one with and one without and they were equal I'd take the one with.

Yep we do it in beer cans - it’s nice to have a piece of an friend’s collection who is no longer around

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Beercan collector

Yep we do it in beer cans - it’s nice to have a piece of an friend’s collection who is no longer around

That's really cool!

I've never seen that, but then, I haven't actively collected since maybe the late 80's, with the exception of splitting a collection with a friend who bought a bunch. Mostly inexpensive 70's- 80's stuff.
And I didn't really pick up anything great back then.

[clamendo]

Originally Posted by steve B

It's important in other hobbies just to different degrees. Super important in some, not as much in others.

To me it matters depending on exactly who had it before.
For example, I have a couple stamps from FDRs collection - he was a collector, involved in choosing the designs for stamps while president, but somewhat oddly, didn't have many really valuable items.

I have a few other things from great collections, and they can be fun. Most big collections had a load of cheap things alongside the nicer ones.

I don't have cards with a provenance, but if I had a choice between one with and one without and they were equal I'd take the one with.

It’s a real big deal in coins. However, what’s interesting that neither PCGS or PSA capture the pedigree in their database. From what I heard Joe Orlando brought this up with the Black Swamp find, but there was no way to do it. I wanted to register my pedigreed cards, but couldn’t distinguish them as such (except in the set title). They give bonus points for being the highest or tied for the highest grade. If it’s deemed important enough to pedigree, why not give a slight kicker (10%?). Seems like a simple matter of programming.

The auction companies definitely highlight it. Look at the Mr. Mint Mantle 9.5. If anything brought a lot of extra attention to the auction.

[BeanTown]

Originally Posted by clamendo

It’s a real big deal in coins. However, what’s interesting that neither PCGS or PSA capture the pedigree in their database. From what I heard Joe Orlando brought this up with the Black Swamp find, but there was no way to do it. I wanted to register my pedigreed cards, but couldn’t distinguish them as such (except in the set title). They give bonus points for being the highest or tied for the highest grade. If it’s deemed important enough to pedigree, why not give a slight kicker (10%?). Seems like a simple matter of programming.

The auction companies definitely highlight it. Look at the Mr. Mint Mantle 9.5. If anything brought a lot of extra attention to the auction.

That’s a great point and didn’t realize most TPGs weren’t able to do that.