T206 Qs

[Ronnie73]

One of your questions is answered in my signature. I update that number (5258) whenever a new discovery card is found. It is believed that there are more cards that were printed with different back combinations, but I only count confirmed cards that actually exist. That number does not include missing color cards, scrap cards such as the No Prints and the Old Mill SL Brown Backs, Old Mill Blue Backs, most print errors, (Magie and Doyle NY Nat'l. are exceptions.) and any double name or partial double name cards.

[bbcard1]

The rarest might be high grade rare T206s that have not been altered.

[Ronnie73]

There are too many variable's when it come's to rarity. Are we counting rare backs? What about error's and scraps? Do we also take grade's into consideration? There are plenty of one of a kind T206's if you only count one of the variable's above, and even more, if you count all the variable's. There's a whole bunch of T206's that make the Honus Wagner look like a common, depending on how you count things.

[toledo_mudhen]

Originally Posted by Ronnie73

There are too many variable's when it come's to rarity. Are we counting rare backs? What about error's and scraps? Do we also take grade's into consideration? There are plenty of one of a kind T206's if you only count one of the variable's above, and even more, if you count all the variable's. There's a whole bunch of T206's that make the Honus Wagner look like a common, depending on how you count things.

........and it's called the "Monster" for a reason

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by Ronnie73

One of your questions is answered in my signature. I update that number (5258) whenever a new discovery card is found. It is believed that there are more cards that were printed with different back combinations, but I only count confirmed cards that actually exist. That number does not include missing color cards, scrap cards such as the No Prints and the Old Mill SL Brown Backs, Old Mill Blue Backs, most print errors, (Magie and Doyle NY Nat'l. are exceptions.) and any double name or partial double name cards.

We need to get together and compare notes one day Ron, I have the mater list of confirmed cards at 5281 I do include the Brown Old Mill SL (14 confirmed) but not other scrap, no prints, Blue Old Mill etc...

[Ronnie73]

Originally Posted by Pat R

We need to get together and compare notes one day Ron, I have the mater list of confirmed cards at 5281 I do include the Brown Old Mill SL (14 confirmed) but not other scrap, no prints, Blue Old Mill etc...

So it looks like I'm missing 9 cards from the list. Not too bad considering the mess that PSA has made of their master registry set, and so many other questionables elsewhere. I'm sure your number is more accurate than mine, since I don't follow the set like I used to. There was around 5 years where it felt like a full time job, but I probably added around 1200 different off backs at that time also. I sure added a bunch of cards, while technically not having any money. It's impossible to do that at today's prices. $30 Cycle's, Tolstoi's, EPDG's, and American Beauty's will probably never happen again.

[RCFire82]

Originally Posted by Ronnie73

So it looks like I'm missing 9 cards from the list. Not too bad considering the mess that PSA has made of their master registry set, and so many other questionables elsewhere. I'm sure your number is more accurate than mine, since I don't follow the set like I used to. There was around 5 years where it felt like a full time job, but I probably added around 1200 different off backs at that time also. I sure added a bunch of cards, while technically not having any money. It's impossible to do that at today's prices. $30 Cycle's, Tolstoi's, EPDG's, and American Beauty's will probably never happen again.

Just add a zero to that "30"

[Ronnie73]

Originally Posted by RCFire82

Just add a zero to that "30"

Adding a zero to just about every T206 I own, is how much the prices have changed. The biggest problem with that, is I can't justify paying the 10x price, after paying the 1x price over ten years straight. Averaging 150 to 300 cards a year, and now I'm lucky if I add 5 cards a year. Because of the current prices, I don't enjoy the set as much as I used to. But I still watch for certain cards, and actually won a T206 last night. I did have that feel good feeling, after winning. So I just need to accept the new price levels.

[BobC]

Originally Posted by Ronnie73

Adding a zero to just about every T206 I own, is how much the prices have changed. The biggest problem with that, is I can't justify paying the 10x price, after paying the 1x price over ten years straight. Averaging 150 to 300 cards a year, and now I'm lucky if I add 5 cards a year. Because of the current prices, I don't enjoy the set as much as I used to. But I still watch for certain cards, and actually won a T206 last night. I did have that feel good feeling, after winning. So I just need to accept the new price levels.

+1,000,000

Have the exact same problem/issue. Extreme difficulty rationalizing the dramatically increased prices for many cards out there, and then ever be willing to actually pay that much for them now. Can't help but remember when I could usually get cards at/for a particular price level/range. And despite fully knowing about and being completely aware and accepting of inflation and other things that may push some prices up over time, still can't justify in my mind paying what now seems like some ridiculously high and undeserving prices. Maybe a bit of an "I'm a collector and this is a hobby." thinking, versus "This is an investment that is going to take off." thinking. Possibly/probably also a function of that inherent, innate resistance many, many people have to change, and its effects on things in our lives.

[SDGsports]

Imagine buying Microsoft or Apple stock for $0.74 then seeing the price go to $5 , and being like , "nah... I was buying that under a buck"

Originally Posted by BobC

+1,000,000

Have the exact same problem/issue. Extreme difficulty rationalizing the dramatically increased prices for many cards out there, and then ever be willing to actually pay that much for them now. Can't help but remember when I could usually get cards at/for a particular price level/range. And despite fully knowing about and being completely aware and accepting of inflation and other things that may push some prices up over time, still can't justify in my mind paying what now seems like some ridiculously high and undeserving prices. Maybe a bit of an "I'm a collector and this is a hobby." thinking, versus "This is an investment that is going to take off." thinking. Possibly/probably also a function of that inherent, innate resistance many, many people have to change, and its effects on things in our lives.

[lampertb]

Originally Posted by BobC

Extreme difficulty rationalizing the dramatically increased prices for many cards out there, and then ever be willing to actually pay that much for them now. Can't help but remember when I could usually get cards at/for a particular price level/range. And despite fully knowing about and being completely aware and accepting of inflation and other things that may push some prices up over time, still can't justify in my mind paying what now seems like some ridiculously high and undeserving prices. Maybe a bit of an "I'm a collector and this is a hobby." thinking, versus "This is an investment that is going to take off." thinking.

Post of the year, IMHO.

[Ronnie73]

Originally Posted by Ronnie73

Adding a zero to just about every T206 I own, is how much the prices have changed. The biggest problem with that, is I can't justify paying the 10x price, after paying the 1x price over ten years straight. Averaging 150 to 300 cards a year, and now I'm lucky if I add 5 cards a year. Because of the current prices, I don't enjoy the set as much as I used to. But I still watch for certain cards, and actually won a T206 last night. I did have that feel good feeling, after winning. So I just need to accept the new price levels.

Originally Posted by BobC

+1,000,000

Have the exact same problem/issue. Extreme difficulty rationalizing the dramatically increased prices for many cards out there, and then ever be willing to actually pay that much for them now. Can't help but remember when I could usually get cards at/for a particular price level/range. And despite fully knowing about and being completely aware and accepting of inflation and other things that may push some prices up over time, still can't justify in my mind paying what now seems like some ridiculously high and undeserving prices. Maybe a bit of an "I'm a collector and this is a hobby." thinking, versus "This is an investment that is going to take off." thinking. Possibly/probably also a function of that inherent, innate resistance many, many people have to change, and its effects on things in our lives.

Just to follow up on Bob's post. Is my T206 collection worth a ton more than it was in say 2018? Hell yeah!! But do I have more fun collecting the set now, with the higher prices? Hell no!! Would I bring back the 2010-2018 prices, even if that meant that I'd lose the insane gain in value of my collection? A big YES!! I was having the most fun in 2011-2015 than I ever had in my whole life collecting something. Because the fun was in the searching and the chase, plus the motivation to continue was the ability to afford a few new cards per week, especially with them being off backs. It was a special time, kinda like being a teenager in the late 80's. Some things can't be replicated.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Ronnie73

So it looks like I'm missing 9 cards from the list. Not too bad considering the mess that PSA has made of their master registry set, and so many other questionables elsewhere. I'm sure your number is more accurate than mine, since I don't follow the set like I used to. There was around 5 years where it felt like a full time job, but I probably added around 1200 different off backs at that time also. I sure added a bunch of cards, while technically not having any money. It's impossible to do that at today's prices. $30 Cycle's, Tolstoi's, EPDG's, and American Beauty's will probably never happen again.

Great info in this thread.
I remember the times of cheap rare backs. Those were the days ....but then again, everything was cheap!! I go through some 20+ yrs old pricelists of my cards and it's hard to imagine in today's terms.

As far as how to pursue the monster (or subsets), you can do it an infinite number of ways. Whatever your fancy is.

And a card with a common back but uncommon top border.


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[Kidnapped18]

Originally Posted by Pat R

We need to get together and compare notes one day Ron, I have the mater list of confirmed cards at 5281 I do include the Brown Old Mill SL (14 confirmed) but not other scrap, no prints, Blue Old Mill etc...

PSA Registry has 5973 as their number. This includes cards that have not been confirmed.
(Note they list both Demmitt and O'Hara twice for having the Piedmont backs even though Demmitt and O'Hara have one Polar Bear exclusive card each).

I have the number confirmed at 5286 (3 new cards added from last list I had) I include the 14 Brown Old Mill SL in my list.
I do not include the Cycle Manion or the Sweet Caporal Molly Miller. Both are listed in PSA pop reports - Manion PSA 2 and Miller PSA 3.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by Kidnapped18

PSA Registry has 5973 as their number. This includes cards that have not been confirmed.
(Note they list both Demmitt and O'Hara twice for having the Piedmont backs even though Demmitt and O'Hara have one Polar Bear exclusive card each).

I have the number confirmed at 5287 (3 new cards added from last list I had) I include the 14 Brown Old Mill SL in my list.
I do not include the Cycle Manion or the Sweet Caporal Molly Miller. Both are listed in PSA pop reports - Manion PSA 2 and Miller PSA 3.

Hey Tony. You and Ron and I are pretty close on our master list numbers. There are some confirmed combinations that I think are questionable that I don't include in my master list. For instance Crawford (throwing) is confirmed on most lists that I've seen with a Sweet Caporal 150 factory 25 back but I'm pretty confident that the combo doesn't exist so I don't include it on my master list.

[Kidnapped18]

Originally Posted by Pat R

Hey Tony. You and Ron and I are pretty close on our master list numbers. There are some confirmed combinations that I think are questionable that I don't include in my master list. For instance Crawford (throwing) is confirmed on most lists that I've seen with a Sweet Caporal 150 factory 25 back but I'm pretty confident that the combo doesn't exist so I don't include it on my master list.

Yes very close indeed on the master lists! I do have SC150/25 Crawford throwing in my list so that takes care of one discrepancy in our lists.
PSA has a PSA 1 graded in their pop reports. I checked the scans (25+) I had of Crawford SC150s this am and all had the 150/30 back.

Maybe when I post what I have we can find out the handful of others.

[Yoda]

We all have seen T206's come and go in our respective collections. I only truly regret selling 2 cards; one was T206 Red Portrait Cobb PSA7 with a EPDG back, while the other (sniff, sob) was a Griffith Batting, PSA7 with a Drum back. I don't miss them because of the money they would bring but rather because they were special. Both were consigned to Mastro through my friend Kevin Struss.
I guess what I am trying to say to a new collector of the set: Keep the special ones, no matter what.

[Kidnapped18]

My previous list of 5284 had
74 American Beauty cards, now it is at 75 (+1)
28 Brown Lenox cards, now it is at 25 (-3)
72 Piedmont 350-460/42, now it is at 76 (+4)
I also had one too many Old Mill BBS due to miscounting (-1)

T206 List of Confirmed Backs
American Beauty (Frame) 190
American Beauty No Frame 37
American Beauty 460 74
Broad Leaf 350 177
Broad Leaf 460 29
Carolina Brights 128
Cycle 350 190
Cycle 450 109
Drum 160
El Principe de Gales 281
Hindu Brown 136
Hindu Red 44
Lenox Black 78
Lenox Brown 25
Old Mill Black 312
Old Mill Black SL 48
Old Mill Brown 14
Piedmont 150 156
Piedmont 350 460
Piedmont 350/460 No. 25 109
Piedmont 350/460 No. 42 72
Polar Bear 250
Sovereign 150 150
Sovereign 350 Forest Green 208
Sovereign 350 Apple Green 66
Sovereign 460 52
Sweet Caporal 150/25 153
Sweet Caporal 150/30 153
Sweet Caporal 150/649 34
Sweet Caporal 350/25 394
Sweet Caporal 350/30 400
Sweet Caporal 350/460 No. 25 69
Sweet Caporal 350/460 No. 30 52
Sweet Caporal 350/460 No. 42 47
Sweet Caporal 350/460 No. 42 OP 109
Tolstoi 255
Uzit 60
TOTAL 5286 +2