T206 Qs

[Cmvorce]

Brooklyn Dahlen and Washington Elberfeld are harder than your average card but are pretty readily available at all times. demmitt and O’Hara are significantly harder to find (and much more expensive).

[Casey2296]

Hi Mike,
The search function here is not optimal. Best way is to Google the subject then add net54 to the subject line, for example "Rareback T206 net54", etc. lots of archived threads will pop up. Good luck on your hunt!

[Ronnie73]

One of your questions is answered in my signature. I update that number (5258) whenever a new discovery card is found. It is believed that there are more cards that were printed with different back combinations, but I only count confirmed cards that actually exist. That number does not include missing color cards, scrap cards such as the No Prints and the Old Mill SL Brown Backs, Old Mill Blue Backs, most print errors, (Magie and Doyle NY Nat'l. are exceptions.) and any double name or partial double name cards.

[bbcard1]

The rarest might be high grade rare T206s that have not been altered.

[Ronnie73]

There are too many variable's when it come's to rarity. Are we counting rare backs? What about error's and scraps? Do we also take grade's into consideration? There are plenty of one of a kind T206's if you only count one of the variable's above, and even more, if you count all the variable's. There's a whole bunch of T206's that make the Honus Wagner look like a common, depending on how you count things.

[toledo_mudhen]

Originally Posted by Ronnie73

There are too many variable's when it come's to rarity. Are we counting rare backs? What about error's and scraps? Do we also take grade's into consideration? There are plenty of one of a kind T206's if you only count one of the variable's above, and even more, if you count all the variable's. There's a whole bunch of T206's that make the Honus Wagner look like a common, depending on how you count things.

........and it's called the "Monster" for a reason

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by Ronnie73

One of your questions is answered in my signature. I update that number (5258) whenever a new discovery card is found. It is believed that there are more cards that were printed with different back combinations, but I only count confirmed cards that actually exist. That number does not include missing color cards, scrap cards such as the No Prints and the Old Mill SL Brown Backs, Old Mill Blue Backs, most print errors, (Magie and Doyle NY Nat'l. are exceptions.) and any double name or partial double name cards.

We need to get together and compare notes one day Ron, I have the mater list of confirmed cards at 5281 I do include the Brown Old Mill SL (14 confirmed) but not other scrap, no prints, Blue Old Mill etc...

[Ronnie73]

Originally Posted by Pat R

We need to get together and compare notes one day Ron, I have the mater list of confirmed cards at 5281 I do include the Brown Old Mill SL (14 confirmed) but not other scrap, no prints, Blue Old Mill etc...

So it looks like I'm missing 9 cards from the list. Not too bad considering the mess that PSA has made of their master registry set, and so many other questionables elsewhere. I'm sure your number is more accurate than mine, since I don't follow the set like I used to. There was around 5 years where it felt like a full time job, but I probably added around 1200 different off backs at that time also. I sure added a bunch of cards, while technically not having any money. It's impossible to do that at today's prices. $30 Cycle's, Tolstoi's, EPDG's, and American Beauty's will probably never happen again.

[RCFire82]

Originally Posted by Ronnie73

So it looks like I'm missing 9 cards from the list. Not too bad considering the mess that PSA has made of their master registry set, and so many other questionables elsewhere. I'm sure your number is more accurate than mine, since I don't follow the set like I used to. There was around 5 years where it felt like a full time job, but I probably added around 1200 different off backs at that time also. I sure added a bunch of cards, while technically not having any money. It's impossible to do that at today's prices. $30 Cycle's, Tolstoi's, EPDG's, and American Beauty's will probably never happen again.

Just add a zero to that "30"

[Ronnie73]

Originally Posted by RCFire82

Just add a zero to that "30"

Adding a zero to just about every T206 I own, is how much the prices have changed. The biggest problem with that, is I can't justify paying the 10x price, after paying the 1x price over ten years straight. Averaging 150 to 300 cards a year, and now I'm lucky if I add 5 cards a year. Because of the current prices, I don't enjoy the set as much as I used to. But I still watch for certain cards, and actually won a T206 last night. I did have that feel good feeling, after winning. So I just need to accept the new price levels.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Ronnie73

So it looks like I'm missing 9 cards from the list. Not too bad considering the mess that PSA has made of their master registry set, and so many other questionables elsewhere. I'm sure your number is more accurate than mine, since I don't follow the set like I used to. There was around 5 years where it felt like a full time job, but I probably added around 1200 different off backs at that time also. I sure added a bunch of cards, while technically not having any money. It's impossible to do that at today's prices. $30 Cycle's, Tolstoi's, EPDG's, and American Beauty's will probably never happen again.

Great info in this thread.
I remember the times of cheap rare backs. Those were the days ....but then again, everything was cheap!! I go through some 20+ yrs old pricelists of my cards and it's hard to imagine in today's terms.

As far as how to pursue the monster (or subsets), you can do it an infinite number of ways. Whatever your fancy is.

And a card with a common back but uncommon top border.


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[Kidnapped18]

Originally Posted by Pat R

We need to get together and compare notes one day Ron, I have the mater list of confirmed cards at 5281 I do include the Brown Old Mill SL (14 confirmed) but not other scrap, no prints, Blue Old Mill etc...

PSA Registry has 5973 as their number. This includes cards that have not been confirmed.
(Note they list both Demmitt and O'Hara twice for having the Piedmont backs even though Demmitt and O'Hara have one Polar Bear exclusive card each).

I have the number confirmed at 5286 (3 new cards added from last list I had) I include the 14 Brown Old Mill SL in my list.
I do not include the Cycle Manion or the Sweet Caporal Molly Miller. Both are listed in PSA pop reports - Manion PSA 2 and Miller PSA 3.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by Kidnapped18

PSA Registry has 5973 as their number. This includes cards that have not been confirmed.
(Note they list both Demmitt and O'Hara twice for having the Piedmont backs even though Demmitt and O'Hara have one Polar Bear exclusive card each).

I have the number confirmed at 5287 (3 new cards added from last list I had) I include the 14 Brown Old Mill SL in my list.
I do not include the Cycle Manion or the Sweet Caporal Molly Miller. Both are listed in PSA pop reports - Manion PSA 2 and Miller PSA 3.

Hey Tony. You and Ron and I are pretty close on our master list numbers. There are some confirmed combinations that I think are questionable that I don't include in my master list. For instance Crawford (throwing) is confirmed on most lists that I've seen with a Sweet Caporal 150 factory 25 back but I'm pretty confident that the combo doesn't exist so I don't include it on my master list.

[Kidnapped18]

Originally Posted by Pat R

Hey Tony. You and Ron and I are pretty close on our master list numbers. There are some confirmed combinations that I think are questionable that I don't include in my master list. For instance Crawford (throwing) is confirmed on most lists that I've seen with a Sweet Caporal 150 factory 25 back but I'm pretty confident that the combo doesn't exist so I don't include it on my master list.

Yes very close indeed on the master lists! I do have SC150/25 Crawford throwing in my list so that takes care of one discrepancy in our lists.
PSA has a PSA 1 graded in their pop reports. I checked the scans (25+) I had of Crawford SC150s this am and all had the 150/30 back.

Maybe when I post what I have we can find out the handful of others.

[wnp22]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

Hi Mike,
The search function here is not optimal. Best way is to Google the subject then add net54 to the subject line, for example "Rareback T206 net54", etc. lots of archived threads will pop up. Good luck on your hunt!

Small quality of life tip to go along with this: If you do "site:net54baseball.com" (minus the quotation marks) and then your search term, you will get results only from this site. IMO the best way to search forums since a lot of the baked in search functions can kinda be a pain