450 HR and counting and really not so good

[Peter_Spaeth]

dWAR
Good god, y'all
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing
Say it again

[G1911]

I do not understand the WAR obsession (I have yet to find anyone on a forum who actually knows its full equation and what exactly it is they are agreeing is all or mostly weighted correctly), but dWAR is borderline junk before 2003 and is based on estimates of a players career rates of outs to a position to credit hit allocation.

[Peter_Spaeth]

At least for the more vintage players, we really must go by what John Updike called "the witness of the eyes."

[mrreality68]

To much stats and different type of stats.

I agree with using it but can never forget the good all eye test as mentioned earlier.

[packs]

I thought Delgado was a pretty fierce player in his prime. Not as good as Vlad overall but I don’t think Delgado was cheating and was probably overshadowed by the steroid era. He drove in 130 or more RBIs three times. Not a lot other guys doing that without some help.

[Jim65]

Originally Posted by packs

I thought Delgado was a pretty fierce player in his prime. Not as good as Vlad overall but I don’t think Delgado was cheating and was probably overshadowed by the steroid era. He drove in 130 or more RBIs three times. Not a lot other guys doing that without some help.

I don't think Delgado is a HOFer but he definitely should have received more consideration, he should not have been one and done

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Jim65

I don't think Delgado is a HOFer but he definitely should have received more consideration, he should not have been one and done

You could argue he's not that different from Rice, Perez, Cepeda, maybe Dawson.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Jim65

I don't think Delgado is a HOFer but he definitely should have received more consideration, he should not have been one and done

Delgado got robbed. He’s around the border, probably on the no side of it, but 1 ballot was not an honest evaluation of him. Little less ridiculous than Lofton falling off immediately but not by much. If the roiders (sans Ortiz, who may do whatever he wishes free of accountability) are to be kept out, but we also keep out the guys a notch below the roiders, there’s not much left to induct. Pretty similar to McGriff. He deserved a sincere look.