Jim Brown has Passed Away

[Exhibitman]

GOAT. RIP.

1958 Team Issue

[commishbob]

'64 Philly Gum jim Brown with what, legend has it, is his gold Cadillac in the background. Nearly all the Browns cards in this set use photos in front of that same fence with the Caddy in the background.

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(Not my card, I recently sold off my Philly Gum sets)

[atx840]

Not sure why his history of domestic violence is being ignored.

Brown was arrested at least seven times for assault, mainly against women.[94] During the era when the incidents occured, prominent men were usually not scrutinized for reported offenses against women.[41] He was never found guilty of a major crime;[41] in most of the cases, the women refused to press charges after calling the police.[95] In 1965, Brown was arrested in his hotel room for assault and battery against an 18-year-old Brenda Ayres; he was later acquitted of those charges.[96] A year later, he fought paternity allegations that he fathered her child.[97]

In 1968, Brown was charged with assault with intent to commit murder after model Eva Bohn-Chin was found beneath the balcony of Brown's second-floor apartment.[98] The charges were later dismissed after Bohn-Chin refused to cooperate with the prosecutor's office. Brown was also ordered to pay a $300 fine for striking a deputy sheriff involved in the investigation during the incident. In Brown's autobiography, he stated that Bohn-Chin was angry and jealous over an affair he had been having with Gloria Steinem, and this argument is what led to the "misunderstanding with the police".[99]

Brown in 2000
In 1970, Brown was found not guilty of assault and battery, the charges stemming from a road-rage incident that had occurred in 1969.[100] In 1975, Brown was convicted of misdemeanor battery for beating and choking his golfing partner, Frank Snow. He was sentenced to one day in jail, two years' probation, and a fine of $500.[101][102] In 1985, Brown was charged with raping a 33-year-old woman.[103] The charges were later dismissed.[104] In 1986, he was arrested for assaulting his fiancée Debra Clark.[105] Clark refused to press charges, and he was released.[106]

In 1999, Brown was arrested and charged with making terroristic threats toward his wife Monique. According to Brown, "The only time [we] ever have an argument is during [her menstrual period]". Later that year, he was found guilty of vandalism for smashing her car with a shovel.[107] He was sentenced to three years' probation, one year of domestic violence counseling, and 400 hours of community service or 40 hours on a work crew along with a $1,800 fine.[108] Brown ignored the terms of his sentence and in 2000 was sentenced to six months in jail, which he began serving in 2002 after refusing the court-ordered counseling and community service.[109] He was released after three months.[110][111]

"There is no excuse for violence", said Brown in 2015.[49] "There is never a justification for anyone to impose themselves on someone else. And it will always be incorrect when it comes to a man and a woman, regardless of what might have happened. You need to be man enough to take the blow. That is always the best way. Do not put your hands on a woman

[G1911]

Originally Posted by atx840

Not sure why his history of domestic violence is being ignored.

Brown was arrested at least seven times for assault, mainly against women.[94] During the era when the incidents occured, prominent men were usually not scrutinized for reported offenses against women.[41] He was never found guilty of a major crime;[41] in most of the cases, the women refused to press charges after calling the police.[95] In 1965, Brown was arrested in his hotel room for assault and battery against an 18-year-old Brenda Ayres; he was later acquitted of those charges.[96] A year later, he fought paternity allegations that he fathered her child.[97]

In 1968, Brown was charged with assault with intent to commit murder after model Eva Bohn-Chin was found beneath the balcony of Brown's second-floor apartment.[98] The charges were later dismissed after Bohn-Chin refused to cooperate with the prosecutor's office. Brown was also ordered to pay a $300 fine for striking a deputy sheriff involved in the investigation during the incident. In Brown's autobiography, he stated that Bohn-Chin was angry and jealous over an affair he had been having with Gloria Steinem, and this argument is what led to the "misunderstanding with the police".[99]

Brown in 2000
In 1970, Brown was found not guilty of assault and battery, the charges stemming from a road-rage incident that had occurred in 1969.[100] In 1975, Brown was convicted of misdemeanor battery for beating and choking his golfing partner, Frank Snow. He was sentenced to one day in jail, two years' probation, and a fine of $500.[101][102] In 1985, Brown was charged with raping a 33-year-old woman.[103] The charges were later dismissed.[104] In 1986, he was arrested for assaulting his fiancée Debra Clark.[105] Clark refused to press charges, and he was released.[106]

In 1999, Brown was arrested and charged with making terroristic threats toward his wife Monique. According to Brown, "The only time [we] ever have an argument is during [her menstrual period]". Later that year, he was found guilty of vandalism for smashing her car with a shovel.[107] He was sentenced to three years' probation, one year of domestic violence counseling, and 400 hours of community service or 40 hours on a work crew along with a $1,800 fine.[108] Brown ignored the terms of his sentence and in 2000 was sentenced to six months in jail, which he began serving in 2002 after refusing the court-ordered counseling and community service.[109] He was released after three months.[110][111]

"There is no excuse for violence", said Brown in 2015.[49] "There is never a justification for anyone to impose themselves on someone else. And it will always be incorrect when it comes to a man and a woman, regardless of what might have happened. You need to be man enough to take the blow. That is always the best way. Do not put your hands on a woman

This is what I thought while reading the posts about his allegedly “inspirational” life off of the field. He had a decades long history of consistent abuse, violence and even attempts to murder women. Greatest running back ever, maybe the greatest football player, but he gets a free pass for a lot of truly horrible things. He didn’t make some questionable statements, he threw a woman off a balcony and then assaulted a cop when they came to investigate as just one of his many, consistent violent assaults over decades.

[skelly423]

Jim Brown belongs in the same class as Bobby Hull. Remarkable athlete who reached the peak of his sport(s), and was a reprehensible human being away from the game.

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by atx840

"... it will always be incorrect when it comes to a man and a woman, regardless of what might have happened. You need to be man enough to take the blow. That is always the best way. Do not put your hands on a woman

I guess he and Bill Burr weren't in each other's fan club. “There is no reason to hit a woman. And I was just like, really? I could give you like 17 right off the top of my head.”

But seriously, I think people are getting tired of the reductivism. Human beings are complex. Most cannot be defined by a single incident or behavior. Jim Brown can be both an exemplary leader in the field of civil rights and a real turd in the domestic arena. There is nothing contradictory in that.

There's also the death thing. A lot of people do not like to speak ill of the dead. Some simply consider it to be in bad taste, like doing a roast for a eulogy. Of course, I think making fun of the dead is hilarious. Safe, too, since they can't sue you.

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

May he rot.

[oldjudge]

https://andscape.com/features/jim-br...-freedom-song/

Great article by award winning columnist William Rhoden

[JollyElm]

Wow...this thread turned quickly.