1955-1970 Topps Virtual Series Sheets

[deweyinthehall]

From detective work done by others, this is a composite of what one of the 4th series slits from 1962 looked like:

[deweyinthehall]

On the 1966 7th Series - I'm building a set now, and am wondering about the reliability of all the "SP" designators floating around out there.

What is the prevailing wisdom on the layout of the other slit?

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by deweyinthehall

On the 1966 7th Series - I'm building a set now, and am wondering about the reliability of all the "SP" designators floating around out there.

What is the prevailing wisdom on the layout of the other slit?

Are you referring to star players, multi player rookie cards, or commons? I picked out five random commons from a 4x row and a 3x row and these are the current quantities I found on eBay:

4x row

Andre Rodgers 65
Larry Jackson 69
Dave Roberts 108
George Smith 74
Joel Horlen 67

3x row

Gary Bell 38
Dwight Siebler 25
Orlando McFarlane 27
Dave Nicholson 32
Art Mahaffey 46

[Kevvyg1026]

Irrespective of what may be shown in current price guides, the cards that were printed 3x times across the two slits (aka "SPs") came from the rows headed by Perranowski, Cards Rookies, Mantilla, and Jackson Rookie. The other three rows (Northrup, Taylor, Salmon) were printed 4x across the two slits.

[Kevvyg1026]

Irrespective of what may be shown in current price guides, the cards that were printed 3x times across the two slits (aka "SPs") came from the rows headed by Perranowski, Cards Rookies, Mantilla, and Jackson Rookie. The other three rows (Northrup, Taylor, Salmon) were printed 4x across the two slits.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by deweyinthehall

From detective work done by others, this is a composite of what one of the 4th series slits from 1962 looked like:

Great work! The 1962 set is different than other sixties set, bordering cards can be determined by the wood grains that they share with the card above, below, or beside them, and when rows of cards with completely different wood grains were married together with a line dividing them.

[stevepoland]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

Great work! The 1962 set is different than other sixties set, bordering cards can be determined by the wood grains that they share with the card above, below, or beside them, and when rows of cards with completely different wood grains were married together with a line dividing them.

Amazing work here on series 4, and this tip on the wood grains. Has anyone done a Series 3 sheet? Attached is the most complete one I have found, but it's either missing the top 2 rows, or the bottom 2 rows. (Obviously if it hasn't been done yet, it seems this can be figured out by looking at high-res images of these cards and the expected cards above/below)

Note1: if the two rows are missing below this partial sheet, those two rows from the following image would be the 3rd and 4th row from the top. (Gary Bell #273 is 1st card in that 3rd row)

Note2: if the two rows are missing above this partial sheet, those two rows from the following image would be the 7th and 8th rows from the top. (Johnny Kucks #241 is 1st card in that 7th row)

Link to the cards (series 3 are #197-283): https://www.tcdb.com/Checklist.cfm/sid/55

[Cliff Bowman]

Kevin and I have done all of the 1962 Series Sheets but we haven’t been able to post them all yet, they are in the queue . I won’t be able to look at the layouts until tonight but Kevin might be able to fill in the missing rows if he sees this. I was hoping to do the 1964 6th Series as the next virtual sheet.

[stevepoland]

Awesome! My guess is the top2 rows are missing from this sheet, because then Mantle exists twice on the sheet... (but I'm dying to know). Thanks

[Cliff Bowman]

Ah, I see now, it looks like the bottom row was cut way too close and is missing the wood panel border below the cards. I would say this particular Slit is missing the bottom two rows so it wouldn’t contain another Mantle row. Since this is a 88 card Series that means the other Slit would contain two Mantle cards, one Slit has 44 cards printed twice and the other Slit has the other 44 card printed twice so that all 88 cards are printed three times over the two Slits.

[stevepoland]

Ahh, well I'm not sure about this specific sheet image. But I wasn't thinking about a second slit. So if the wood on bottom lines up with the Gary Bell row, then 2 rows are added to the bottom ... then the second slit would be the middle 4 rows printed twice [up and down], and the top/bottom 4 rows printed once [middle]?

Is there a way to know which is slit A and which is slit B? [if they are distinguished as A/B, or 1/2]

I also count 197-283 to be 4+83=87 cards. Any idea what the 88th card would be? Or maybe these series card number ranges are incorrect from TCDb? "Distributed in seven series: #1-109, #110-196, #197-283, #284-370, #371-446, #447-522, and #523-598".

I'll await to hear what you [or Kevin] say later. Thanks

[jmoran19]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

Ah, I see now, it looks like the bottom row was cut way too close and is missing the wood panel border below the cards. I would say this particular Slit is missing the bottom two rows so it wouldn’t contain another Mantle row. Since this is a 88 card Series that means the other Slit would contain two Mantle cards, one Slit has 44 cards printed twice and the other Slit has the other 44 card printed twice so that all 88 cards are printed three times over the two Slits.

Correct, this is missing the bottom two rows as Mantle is only on this slit once

John

[Kevvyg1026]

Saw this for sale recently, so the 1958 series 4 slits are now known, Series 4 has 88 cards, so there are 8 rows printed 3x each across the sheet. Series 4 printng has cards 287 to 374.

1958_4a.jpg

[Kevvyg1026]

As Cliff pointed out in a recent post, that 110 card partial slit is missing the bottom two rows. Here is the other slit, confirming that.

1962t-3rd-uncut-1a.jpg

[deweyinthehall]

Based upon the detective work of Cliff and Kevvy, here is the likely arrangement of the full 264-card 2nd series sheet from 1960:

[Merkle923]

A little late to this but just saw the thread referenced on David Hornish's Topps site.

I've got uncut sheets - proof and issued - from 1959, 1960 (the Throneberry/Hadley "error" sheet), 1962, 1967, 1968, and a couple later.

The 1959 is handy (sorry it's wobbly, had to stand it up for the photo, too big for scanning). The key items here are: the white backs are creamier and duller than the irradiated white on the issued cards. The team change on Chick King's card is missing and that on the Bob Thurman is in a different font and color! Printed by Lord Baltimore.

ko

[Kevvyg1026]

Would love to see the other sheets. In particular, it would be so nice to see a 69 3rd series, or a 66 6th series, or a 65 series 6.

[butchie_t]

Gentleman,

You all are scary good and dedicated in recreating these printer panels. It is awesome to keep up with this post and see the progress of recreation.

HUZZZAH!!!!

Butch

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by Merkle923

A little late to this but just saw the thread referenced on David Hornish's Topps site.
ko

There are a few other sheets that we constructed on other threads that I will post here. I am positive that this is the 1967 6th Series 33 card proof sheet that you saw at the 1989 Guernsey's Auction, minus the MY in TOMMY.

[Cliff Bowman]

Reconstructed 1963 6th Series Slit not yet shown on this thread, there are a couple more.

[Kevvyg1026]

There is an uncut slit where Bill Short is the top row, so the partial slit you have would have Osteen as the top row, with the two bottom rows of Bell & Fregosi missing.

[Kevvyg1026]

The 1962 series 3 slits will have Mantle (#200) appear once on the Osteen slit and twice on the Short slit. Mantle is in the Ripplemeyer row.

[Kevvyg1026]

1962 series 3, the Bell & Fregosi rows are the ones missing from your partial slit.