All I see is TRIM!!!!!!!

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by jchcollins

Not saying you’re wrong, but would be interested in a bit more evidence to back that claim up? How specifically do you know that his PSA 10 ‘52 Mantle (there are 2 others that Fogel doesn’t own…) is trimmed? I would agree that a card like that in a 10 is suspect if nothing else - but this is the first accusation I’ve seen on that particular card.

Sheet cut, trimmed or not - Fogel’s collection is pretty insane. It kills me how he shuffles his slabs around like playing cards, no sleeves. I bet they are all scratched to hell.


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Mr Fogel’s Collection is Top Notch Insane ! I would assume he could get all his cards gratis reholdered at any time he desires.

[Snowman]

I don't have any first hand knowledge or anything like that. It's just my opinion based on how I believe most of these vintage 10s come to market and the likelihood that a card that perfect ever came from a pack. Anything is possible, but far more sheet cut cards make their way into PSA slabs than most people think.

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by Snowman

I don't have any first hand knowledge or anything like that. It's just my opinion based on how I believe most of these vintage 10s come to market and the likelihood that a card that perfect ever came from a pack. Anything is possible, but far more sheet cut cards make their way into PSA slabs than most people think.

I agree that many very high grade, pre war cards have likely been altered. But it’s not just high grade cards. How about perfectly centered 52 Topps Robinsons? If those are so tough to find centered, I wonder how many of the ones that are centered are that way unnaturally. Surely high grade cards are not the only altered cards sitting in slabs….

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

I agree that many very high grade, pre war cards have likely been altered. But it’s not just high grade cards. How about perfectly centered 52 Topps Robinsons? If those are so tough to find centered, I wonder how many of the ones that are centered are that way unnaturally. Surely high grade cards are not the only altered cards sitting in slabs….

All grades of cards are altered. I have sold a lot of cards graded Authentic to 3s that magically resurfaced one or two grades higher in new slabs that have had work done to them.

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by Snowman

I don't have any first hand knowledge or anything like that. It's just my opinion based on how I believe most of these vintage 10s come to market and the likelihood that a card that perfect ever came from a pack. Anything is possible, but far more sheet cut cards make their way into PSA slabs than most people think.

I don't disagree that certainly some high end vintage / important cards are either sheet cut or altered or otherwise at least have some history of monkey business in their past. But I would find it hard to believe that a majority of Fogel's stuff - almost all marquee cards in 8's and higher - had sheets with those cards available to cut from. Goudey Ruths? The entire 1914 and '15 Cracker Jack sets? Again, yes I'm sure some are altered but I don't know that I'd bet on a "majority" of them being sheet cut. Some just trimmed or subtly altered? Much more likely.