All I see is TRIM!!!!!!!

[BioCRN]

Considering how irregular sized 1955 Bowman is, I don't know if I'd ever be willing to pay a premium for a high-end version of one.

I low-key feel some of the variability comes from decades of trimming hiding out in an already terribly irregular cut set.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by BioCRN

Considering how irregular sized 1955 Bowman is, I don't know if I'd ever be willing to pay a premium for a high-end version of one.

I low-key feel some of the variability comes from decades of trimming hiding out in an already terribly irregular cut set.

I put that set together a few years ago. What I noticed was the height was always exactly thew same but the length varied greatly. It took me a few Willie Mays cards to find one that wasn't extremely short with a couple of them being obviously trimmed.

[Exhibitman]

When I saw that title I thought this might be something eise...

I think Pete just likes to say "TRIM".

[Michael B]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

When I saw that title I thought this might be something eise...

I think Pete just likes to say "TRIM".

Adam,

My first thought also. A little part of my brain is also still in the adolescent teenage gutter. I guess those of us who grew up in the 70's know that slang.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Michael B

I guess those of us who grew up in the 70's know that slang.

which strikes me as odd considering how little trimming of the area in question was going on in that era...

[ullmandds]

I see more trim...memory lane. top/bottom borders look guilty to me...maybe all 4? But hey...it's in a slab

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

I see more trim...memory lane. top/bottom borders look guilty to me...maybe all 4? But hey...it's in a slab

I don't believe anything above a 6 nowadays Pete, nor would I want anything above that in my collection.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

When I saw that title I thought this might be something eise...

I think Pete just likes to say "TRIM".

it might have been 48 hours...eddie murphy...the first time I heard the term "trim?"

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I put that set together a few years ago. What I noticed was the height was always exactly thew same but the length varied greatly. It took me a few Willie Mays cards to find one that wasn't extremely short with a couple of them being obviously trimmed.

This is common with a lot of the Topps sets too. Most of them measure pretty much the exact same in the narrow direction (L/R for a standard card, and T/B for a horizontal issue), but they can vary by upwards of an entire 1/4" in the long direction. A card that is trimmed narrow is often easy to identify because of this. But a card that is trimmed short could easily never be detected if it was tall to begin with. I think there are likely millions of trimmed cards in slabs.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Snowman

This is common with a lot of the Topps sets too. Most of them measure pretty much the exact same in the narrow direction (L/R for a standard card, and T/B for a horizontal issue), but they can vary by upwards of an entire 1/4" in the long direction. A card that is trimmed narrow is often easy to identify because of this. But a card that is trimmed short could easily never be detected if it was tall to begin with. I think there are likely millions of trimmed cards in slabs.

Would agree.

Just a general comment on the topic of trimming...Size is not what graders are supposed to rely on for determining if a card has been trimmed. Looking at the edges and consistency of the cuts are factors which would more likely than not determine if a card has been trimmed.

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

Would agree.



Just a general comment on the topic of trimming...Size is not what graders are supposed to rely on for determining if a card has been trimmed. Looking at the edges and consistency of the cuts are factors which would more likely than not determine if a card has been trimmed.

This is absolutely correct. Measurements help, but the look and feel typically give it away prior to measuring.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

Would agree.

Just a general comment on the topic of trimming...Size is not what graders are supposed to rely on for determining if a card has been trimmed. Looking at the edges and consistency of the cuts are factors which would more likely than not determine if a card has been trimmed.

That's true to a certain extent, but there are also a lot of slabbed cards out there that you can tell with absolute certainty that they have been trimmed simply by the size alone. If a card measures within spec, it measures within spec. And I would guess that the majority of trimmed cards are probably still within spec. But once a card gets too small, it simply has to have been trimmed, particularly for L/R cuts on vintage Topps cards.

[Scocs]

To me, here’s the bottom line: there are cards that are centered, have nice edges, and generally sharp corners.

I can’t tell if a card is trimmed or not.

So while it may not be a 100% perfect solution, I will inevitably place my trust in PSA or SGC that they are better able to detect alterations to the card than I could if the card is raw.

I don’t know what else to say….