When is a Stain NOT a Frickin' Stain????

[JollyElm]

Interesting (well, that's quite dependent on what your definition of "interesting" actually is, but I digress) Epilogue:


Someone cue Chicago's "I've Been Searching So Long"...

I've been searching forever to track down another Clemente that looks similar to the star subject of this thread and guess what?? I finally freaking found one!!!!

Look what I ran across. The similarity here (mine is on the left) is striking. The anomaly going from the side of his face and neck, passing over his bat and continuing right into the white border. Pretty cool, indeed...

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By request, the owner shone a flashlight on his to see if there was anything atop the gloss, and then opined it's not a gum stain, "It appears to be as if the print rollers created a smudge."


I can now finally put this one to bed. Be sure to tell your children to never give up on their dreams. "If you continue to put the effort into something, you'll reach your goals in the end." (But also tell them not to have stupid goals, like finding a Clemente smudge. Aim higher.)

[laughlinfan]

Hey elm! Sure seems like what you are saying is correct. If it was caused during the printing process, seems like if you were able find a picture of a 69 sheet, and see who lives to the right of Roberto, you might be able to find images of that card with a continuation of the smudge/print process defect. Just a thought!

[Mbjerry]

I always find your post interesting and fun to read.

[G1911]

Zoilo Versalles, I believe, is the card adjacent to Clemente. Middle of row 5.

There should be Versalles cards showning this defect if it is not damage.

[G1911]

Another thought - are the Clemente's both the bright white or the cream stock? Or are they different stocks?

[JollyElm]

Just like the Clemente, it's impossible to know whether the supposed gunk on this card is gum/wax residue or a 'printer smudge,' but it's something in the same vein...

Zoilo-Versalles.jpg

To 'connect' to the Clemente, it would be better if the anomaly appeared on the left side, but it's also possible that whatever caused the Roberto smudge also separately caused this Zoilo smudge (if it is, in fact, a smudge, and not gum/wax) at a different (non-connected) time?

[jchcollins]

I would agree with those who have said that true wax stains are far easier to remove than gum stains. Whichever you have there Jolly, I would agree it looks typical. Sometimes my pantyhose (I just use a clean sock from my own drawer most of the time, instead of going on an actual panty hose raid in my wife's drawer...) scrubbing efforts get rid of them completely, sometimes it does next to no good at all.

If you have stuff actually under the gloss there I will agree that is odd. Strange to me how even SGC who actually knows halfway what they are doing can give a card like that a 6.5, yet if it were centered a hair worse they probably would have given it a straight 5...

[butchie_t]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

Just like the Clemente, it's impossible to know whether the supposed gunk on this card is gum/wax residue or a 'printer smudge,' but it's something in the same vein...

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To 'connect' to the Clemente, it would be better if the anomaly appeared on the left side, but it's also possible that whatever caused the Roberto smudge also separately caused this Zoilo smudge (if it is, in fact, a smudge, and not gum/wax) at a different (non-connected) time?

Darren,

That is just Zolio's 5 o'clock shadow spreading to the edges of the card.