Red Cross - Is it really a Louisiana exclusive?

[Exhibitman]

I don't think we can infer much about original distribution from dealer acquisitions 100 years later unless the provenance is a family inheritance or similar direct line of descent. I recently picked an estate from a family home that had been passed down for five generations and got a cache of original to the family cards, but other than coming across something like that, there is very little chance of proving a group is an original assemblage of pack-pulled items. I've had it happen twice with prewar cards. I've also had people walk in crazy rare assemblages of cards that came from estate sales, dumpster dives, flea markets, etc. Speaking specifically to Red Cross cards, at one World Boxing Hall of Fame show here in Los Angeles, I had a walk-in with seven T219 Red Cross cards. No idea of what they were, he just got them in a junk sale with a bunch of other cards. I also watched an N386 Spaulding & Merrick Sullivan walked into the 2006 Anaheim National by a junk dealer. He got it from picking somewhere in Los Angeles.

[RCMcKenzie]

Sorry that I took this off topic to Tango Eggs. Greg, I don't know a whole lot about Tango Eggs. I have a McQuillan as a type. I may add more one day for back runs. Bescher seems to pop-up all the time in auctions and on eBay. Yes, I am joking about the REA lot. I can't imagine what to do with 37 Beschers. I do have a placeholder bid in, though.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

Sorry that I took this off topic to Tango Eggs. Greg, I don't know a whole lot about Tango Eggs. I have a McQuillan as a type. I may add more one day for back runs. Bescher seems to pop-up all the time in auctions and on eBay. Yes, I am joking about the REA lot. I can't imagine what to do with 37 Beschers. I do have a placeholder bid in, though.

No worries, the Tango's are a fun set to explore too.



PSA POP
Besher - 62
Bresnahan - 3
Bridwell - 9
Chase - 20
Cobb - 1
Collins - 15
Crawford - 2
Doing - 28
Evers - 1
Felsh - 1
Jennings - 67
McQuillan - 30
Meyer - 24
Morgan - 1
Murphy - 17
Oakes - 1
Plank - 1
Weaver - 37
Zimmerman - 7


The Oakes and Plank are cards from outside the find, Plank is a true beater. The Oakes is in good condition and has a backstamp. The Cobb known today I suspect is not the same card from the find (i.e., there would be at least 2 of them) and is in super poor condition, markedly different from the find cards. It too has a backstamp. The Plank does not have a backstamp. I am not aware of any other outside-the-find Tango's but I am not an expert in this issue and have merely gathered images when I've seen them over the years.

As far as I am aware, a Tinker and Wagner claimed in the letter to be known from before this find have never publicly surfaced. Schaefer I have never seen a picture of, the letter notes 2 of them were discovered.

There were probably originally at least 3 other cards made or intended.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

I don't think we can infer much about original distribution from dealer acquisitions 100 years later unless the provenance is a family inheritance or similar direct line of descent. I recently picked an estate from a family home that had been passed down for five generations and got a cache of original to the family cards, but other than coming across something like that, there is very little chance of proving a group is an original assemblage of pack-pulled items. I've had it happen twice with prewar cards. I've also had people walk in crazy rare assemblages of cards that came from estate sales, dumpster dives, flea markets, etc. Speaking specifically to Red Cross cards, at one World Boxing Hall of Fame show here in Los Angeles, I had a walk-in with seven T219 Red Cross cards. No idea of what they were, he just got them in a junk sale with a bunch of other cards. I also watched an N386 Spaulding & Merrick Sullivan walked into the 2006 Anaheim National by a junk dealer. He got it from picking somewhere in Los Angeles.

Someone walking up to me with 7 Red Crosses is a dream. I bought most of those Levin put up and then a couple from other sources. They are hard cards and most of them locked up tight in collections. I don't expect to complete my T219 master set anytime this century.

[gabrinus]

Greg, there are two known Cobbs in the Tango set...I once owned the beater Cobb which is now owned by Ryan I believe and one batting Cobb...Jerry

[G1911]

I’ve never seen the batting one, that’s awesome. Thank you