Fake common m101-4 OK'd by PSA

[brianp-beme]

Perhaps PSA is just identifying that the back is authentically blank.

Brian

[bnorth]

Damn and I am the current high bidder.

[obcbobd]

Could you explain why you think it is fake?

Thanks

Bob

[BobC]

Originally Posted by obcbobd

Could you explain why you think it is fake?

Thanks

Bob

Notice the black, single line border around the image, and how on the real card there is virtually no white showing between the black border and the image itself? Now look at the space between the black border and the image on the fake/reprint. Also, see how the photos are differently cropped? Look at the ball in the upper left-hand corner, and the wording behind it in white that shows on the sign/scoreboard. Notice how the fake/reprint is cropped tighter and narrower? Just a couple easy to recognize differences.

Unless there was a difference in such borders and cropping in these issues between just the plain, blank-backed versions, and those that were created for and used by other distributors. I always thought the design and cropping were the same for all the different issues of these.

[obcbobd]

Originally Posted by BobC

Notice the black, single line border around the image, and how on the real card there is virtually no white showing between the black border and the image itself? Now look at the space between the black border and the image on the fake/reprint. Also, see how the photos are differently cropped? Look at the ball in the upper left-hand corner, and the wording behind it in white that shows on the sign/scoreboard. Notice how the fake/reprint is cropped tighter and narrower? Just a couple easy to recognize differences.

Unless there was a difference in such borders and cropping in these issues between just the plain, blank-backed versions, and those that were created for and used by other distributors. I always thought the design and cropping were the same for all the different issues of these.

Thanks

[charlietheexterminator]

Those are the newer PSA inserts so the smaller cards don’t move around. Now, unless I’m missing something, the card looks good.

Bob, I see what your talking about.

[nolemmings]

Originally Posted by obcbobd

Could you explain why you think it is fake?

Thanks

Bob

The card is either a doctored reprint or a counterfeit that used the reprint as a template.

Larry Fritsch created a reprint set of m101-5s many years ago. The cards clearly spelled out REPRINT in the lower right corner. Scammers tend to try and erase it or damage that area of the card, but I believe technology has basically allowed the cards to be reproduced with the reprint notice effectively gone. BTW, Saier is the same card number, photo, etc in both m101-5 and m101-4 so this “card” was never a m101-4 in the first place.

There are several threads over the years on how to spot the fakes. Basically, the tell is the space between the lined black frame of the photo and the photo itself—there should be none, or almost none. When the reprint was made, it cropped or shrunk the original photo a little and provided this space. Compare the two Saier cards I showed and you can tell the difference. Also see how the scoreboard in the back is cropped slightly on the left side of the fake. Finally, if you had the card in hand—albeit out of the slab—you would note that the reprints are on slightly thinner stock and are almost translucent, although counterfeits may have compensated for that.

Oops, I see where this was addressed while I was on the phone.

[BobC]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

The card is either a doctored reprint or a counterfeit that used the reprint as a template.

Larry Fritsch created a reprint set of m101-5s many years ago. The cards clearly spelled out REPRINT in the lower right corner. Scammers tend to try and erase it or damage that area of the card, but I believe technology has basically allowed the cards to be reproduced with the reprint notice effectively gone. BTW, Saier is the same card number, photo, etc in both m101-5 and m101-4 so this “card” was never a m101-4 in the first place.

There are several threads over the years on how to spot the fakes. Basically, the tell is the space between the lined black frame of the photo and the photo itself—there should be none, or almost none. When the reprint was made, it cropped or shrunk the original photo a little and provided this space. Compare the two Saier cards I showed and you can tell the difference. Also see how the scoreboard in the back is cropped slightly on the left side of the fake. Finally, if you had the card in hand—albeit out of the slab—you would note that the reprints are on slightly thinner stock and are almost translucent, although counterfeits may have compensated for that.

Oops, I see where this was addressed while I was on the phone.

Todd,

Thanks for confirming what I remembered about these.

[BobC]

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[BobC]

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[bnorth]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

The card is either a doctored reprint or a counterfeit that used the reprint as a template.

Larry Fritsch created a reprint set of m101-5s many years ago. The cards clearly spelled out REPRINT in the lower right corner. Scammers tend to try and erase it or damage that area of the card, but I believe technology has basically allowed the cards to be reproduced with the reprint notice effectively gone. BTW, Saier is the same card number, photo, etc in both m101-5 and m101-4 so this “card” was never a m101-4 in the first place.

There are several threads over the years on how to spot the fakes. Basically, the tell is the space between the lined black frame of the photo and the photo itself—there should be none, or almost none. When the reprint was made, it cropped or shrunk the original photo a little and provided this space. Compare the two Saier cards I showed and you can tell the difference. Also see how the scoreboard in the back is cropped slightly on the left side of the fake. Finally, if you had the card in hand—albeit out of the slab—you would note that the reprints are on slightly thinner stock and are almost translucent, although counterfeits may have compensated for that.

Oops, I see where this was addressed while I was on the phone.

Hopefully everyone else knows it is fake and I win it for the opening bid. Wouldn't be my first counterfeit card in a PSA slab.