Red Cross - Is it really a Louisiana exclusive?

[G1911]

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

When you say "this crowd" probably agrees, what other crowd knows or cares about these subjects? I'm not being confrontational, I'm just wondering.

I know for a fact that there are multiple types of collectors of T cards, and not all of them are the type reminiscing about Philadelphia shows 30-40 years ago. "This crowd" is the group you specifically identified and chose for a rhetorical point.

That people believe X does not make X true, and we have found many times in research that what people think to be true oft is not. That is the beauty of proper research, we can learn new things, correct things, and expand our knowledge about hobby items we like. Knowledge comes from evidence, not authority.

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

Maybe I don't understand. Does it not matter to you where cards are discovered? Do you believe that Tango Eggs is a Louisiana issue? I've only heard the story. I wasn't there.

Sure it matters. It is not the only thing that matters, nor the best evidence.

All of the original collections of T218 and T220 cards I have bought over the years have been from New York (or from a family that was in New York in that time period and later moved), where the lithographer and the packing factories were located. Does this mean they are a New York State only issue? Obviously not. Some Robertson's Candy cards have come from Canada. Does this mean they were even issued there at all? The evidence very, very strongly suggests that they were a regional from a single store in New York City. I purchased an original collection of C52's that came from NY originally, and another from a family in Virginia that was in Virginia in the time period of issue. Does this mean they were issued there? Maybe it's a clue these might be more than an Imperial release, maybe not. It sure isn't proof that the set isn't a Canadian issue.

I am hardly surprised many cards have been found, or claimed to be found (I am just accepting every story as true), in LA. That doesn't mean something is only there.

Some of X have been found in Y
Authorities say X was only from Y
X is only from Y

One should surely see room for legitimate question in the basis here. There's some massive extrapolations here that don't seem to mesh with the brand's actual history.

I cannot meaningfully comment on Tango Eggs as I have done no research into the story. Tango Eggs have nothing whatsoever to do with Lorillard's or ATC distribution. The find is one of the coolest stories in baseball card lore and I own a type card.

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

Are regional issues a myth, or only Louisiana tobacco issues? Are Zee-nuts from Cailfornia? Have I been misled all along?

If primary source evidence arose that Zeenut was selling their candy in North Carolina as well, do you honestly think it would be unreasonable to examine if cards inserted into those packs were also there? Surely the question would be understandable?

Evidence was provided that does not mesh with the story told; and evidence in support asked for so that the totality of evidence may be examined publicly by anyone and everyone interested in the production and distribution details of T cards. While it is easier to spin into a joke implying my argument is that regional issues are a myth, nobody has said anything even remotely approaching this absurdity. I know by now that even the most elementary of evidentiary bases that are expected in any other subject of research or inquiry will be met like this by many pre-war collectors who are for some reason attached to a particular outcome.

[teza11]

Steve,

Those "Bust of Girls" cards are N267's. They were branded Red Cross or Mechanic's Delight. 24 different known.

Jeff

[teza11]

Adding a few T60 images for good measure. Tough cards!

Jeff

[brass_rat]

Originally Posted by teza11

Steve,

Those "Bust of Girls" cards are N267's. They were branded Red Cross or Mechanic's Delight. 24 different known.

Jeff

Thanks! I didn't know that... Or if I did, I certainly forgot.

http://www.moviecard.com/gallery/oth...cco//n267.html

And The Met claims 25 in the set:

https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/892060

Thanks for the info,
Steve

[RCMcKenzie]

Nice cards, Jeff and Steve.

Greg, I am certainly not a scholar, and have not studied the cigarette journals.
Given merchant, warrior or philosopher class, I am firmly in the merchant class.


If Dave chimes in that I am mistaken, that the T219 Red Cross cards he found were not from a guy in Baton Rouge, but a guy in Trenton, NJ, that would be huge evidence to support your claim, anecdotal or not.

Is it possible that people in the NE bought Red Cross packs that did not include the cards?

[RCMcKenzie]

Originally Posted by G1911

I know for a fact that there are multiple types of collectors of T cards, and not all of them are the type reminiscing about Philadelphia shows 30-40 years ago. "This crowd" is the group you specifically identified and chose for a rhetorical point.

My point is not old people good, younger people bad. I think the board ranges from 15-95. All good posters.

My point is that when my Dad took me and my brother to the Ramada Inn show with 20 dealers in 1981, 5 of them had stacks of T213. There was no internet. They had purchased the cards from localyard and estate sales from the original owners.

[Pat R]

Rob, I think I know where Greg is coming from. Greg and I have bumped heads a few times in the past and I'm sure we will again but in the end I know we both agree that the most important thing is accurate information and that's not the case with some people.

The majority of the posts on here suggests that they were only distributed in Louisiana and I think almost everyone will agree that the main distribution of the Red Cross cards was Louisiana but I have never seen what I would consider solid proof that they were only distributed there and there's some pretty good information that suggests that they weren't.

[RCMcKenzie]

Pat, I am enjoying discussing the topic with you, Greg, and others. I have many more questions than answers about T215. I'm always going to treat each topic individually, where I may agree on one thread and disagree on another. Thanks for the comments. I'm thinking I may have to edit "Louisiana issues" from my sig line. haha