One more Babe Ruth vs. Rube Waddell 1917 Sports Companion thread

[BobC]

I also thought this had been determined to be Rube Marquard (not Wadell) as well. For a while the SCD catalogs even stated that the image on the stamp was taken from and identical to a known photo of Marquard, more or less definitively assuring the identification. The same photo Frank was showing in his post.

[frankh8147]

Sorry all, I meant Marquard in the original post.

[BobC]

Originally Posted by frankh8147

Sorry all, I meant Marquard in the original post.

No problem Frank, easy mistake. LOL

And I also have one of these stamps, and wish it was Ruth as well. I noticed that though close, if that photo you originally posted an image of is the same photo referenced and mentioned by others as being the source and an identical match to the image on the stamp, it is not exactly identical and the same after all. And as you said, there is a somewhat similar type of resemblance to a young Ruth's face in that stamp's image. I can also see a bit of a resemblance to Marquard's face as well, when comparing it to the photo Ryan had in post #3. That stamp's facial image alone is just too obscure and unclear to make a definitive identification match though. I had never seen a copy of the photo that was claimed to be used for the stamp's image, and if that one you posted is it, it does leave room for doubt after all that maybe the stamp was supposed to be a depiction of Ruth, someone else, or even no one in particular and just truly a generic figure after all. Sadly, with no other confirming information, evidence, and/or provenance about the image used on the stamp, I think we're stuck with the current thinking and opinion that it is not Ruth after all, or at best, just a generic image. Still a very neat item.

[Leon]

I can't find it right now (someone will) but that is the exact same picture clearly identified as Marquard in another place. IT is 100% Marquard. No question once that picture will resurface.

I think I found it....


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[BobC]

Originally Posted by Leon

I can't find it right now (someone will) but that is the exact same picture clearly identified as Marquard in another place. IT is 100% Marquard. No question once that picture will resurface.

I think I found it....


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Ah, thanks Leon. There it is, that is the exact same image proving it is Marquard. Though that photo the OP initially posted was surprisingly similar.

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by BobC

Ah, thanks Leon. There it is, that is the exact same image proving it is Marquard. Though that photo the OP initially posted was surprisingly similar.

great discussion although addressed in the past and Great resource of the board members

[BobC]

Hmmmm. I take back my earlier comment that the magazine cover image Leon posted is the exact same image as on the Youth's Companion stamp. I do see some minor changes and differences between the magazine cover and stamp images, and also see a little more resemblance to a young Ruth in the stamp image. But they are all very minor and subtle differences, and make it difficult to argue they are still not the same. So again, I think current public opinion will still override all else, and it will remain as Marquard being on the stamp. But I can't necessarily say Frank may not have a point as well after all.

[frankh8147]

Originally Posted by BobC

Ah, thanks Leon. There it is, that is the exact same image proving it is Marquard. Though that photo the OP initially posted was surprisingly similar.

Yeah they are almost identical pose-wise, except for the differences I pointed out. My problem was that I just don't see Rube Marquard at all when looking at that face..

[Leon]

Same image. The stamp is only a cartoonish looking drawing of the postcard. Look at how he is holding the ball and look at his glove....along with everything else.

Originally Posted by frankh8147

Yeah they are almost identical pose-wise, except for the differences I pointed out. My problem was that I just don't see Rube Marquard at all when looking at that face..

[frankh8147]

Originally Posted by BobC

No problem Frank, easy mistake. LOL

And I also have one of these stamps, and wish it was Ruth as well. But The photo you mentioned and showed, isn't just close, it is pretty much an exact duplicate of the image on the stamp. Also, take another look at the photo of Marquard that Ryan added in post #3, and then go back and look at the photo you posted. Would be nice if it was Ruth, but sadly, I don't think so.

I get what you are saying but I've been looking at this comparison and I still just don't see it for some reason! I look at photo of Marquard he showed, and still see a thin face with features to go along with that. I look at this stamp and see Ruth.

[Rhotchkiss]

Frank, I am sorry, but unless you are this guy: https://www.ebay.com/itm/13408201502...=20001&mkevt=1

It’s Marquard!