SGC Registry – Why isn’t there one?

[ClementeFanOh]

To Lorewalker-

The post topic was an inquiry asking for opinions(!) on why SGC doesn't
make use of a set registry. I offered those opinions as part of the back and
forth on topic. I am not at all interested in "asking PSA if the buck was
worth the bang" for a number of reasons, most directly that I don't care
one bit about their registry. Perhaps you could do that for us and report
back in, say, a decade when you get a reply? While I did float an eye roll
toward a couple commenters' free PSA on behalf of PSA- see what I did
there?- it wasn't the point of the post.

Trent King

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by ClementeFanOh

To Lorewalker-

The post topic was an inquiry asking for opinions(!) on why SGC doesn't
make use of a set registry. I offered those opinions as part of the back and
forth on topic. I am not at all interested in "asking PSA if the buck was
worth the bang" for a number of reasons, most directly that I don't care
one bit about their registry. Perhaps you could do that for us and report
back in, say, a decade when you get a reply? While I did float an eye roll
toward a couple commenters' free PSA on behalf of PSA- see what I did
there?- it wasn't the point of the post.

Trent King

Just curious but are you usually a di(k or only all of the time?

[G1911]

I think the registry plays little role in rare sets or superstar cards in low or mid grade, but it has entirely created the market for high grade commons and stars. Registry or having the best single is the only reason a 10 outsells a 9; I've yet to meet a single collector that can reliably separate 8/9/10 slabbed cards without seeing the slip. A mint Mantle was worth more than an EX Mantle before PSA, but the multiplier has skyrocketed and half the high grades are effectively imaginary.

Adding a registry wouldn't suddenly make SGC competitive; but it's one of the things you need to be competitive. Somebody will need to do something innovative to take over PSA, but they will also need 'the basics' and the infrastructure that PSA has to take over significant market share.

SGC has never seemed to have much interest in competing, or is a poorly run business. I'm not sure which.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

I think the registry plays little role in rare sets or superstar cards in low or mid grade, but it has entirely created the market for high grade commons and stars. Registry or having the best single is the only reason a 10 outsells a 9; I've yet to meet a single collector that can reliably separate 8/9/10 slabbed cards without seeing the slip. A mint Mantle was worth more than an EX Mantle before PSA, but the multiplier has skyrocketed and half the high grades are effectively imaginary.

Adding a registry wouldn't suddenly make SGC competitive; but it's one of the things you need to be competitive. Somebody will need to do something innovative to take over PSA, but they will also need 'the basics' and the infrastructure that PSA has to take over significant market share.

SGC has never seemed to have much interest in competing, or is a poorly run business. I'm not sure which.

Well, there is this:
3. Customer acknowledges and agrees that SGC’s owners and employees shall be permitted to submit items for grading and/or authentication without limitation. Furthermore, SGC’s owners and employees may buy, sell, and trade SGC authenticated or graded items without limitation.

Not exactly third party grading.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Well, there is this:
3. Customer acknowledges and agrees that SGC’s owners and employees shall be permitted to submit items for grading and/or authentication without limitation. Furthermore, SGC’s owners and employees may buy, sell, and trade SGC authenticated or graded items without limitation.

Not exactly third party grading.

That's why I didn't call them third party . I have little but contempt for the circus of incompetence and almost open corruption plaguing both these firms. But nobody cares about ethics or collecting when there is $$$$ to be made, and so all is forgotten, swept under the rug, and a handful of us shake our fist at the sky.

The holders often present well and I would maybe consider them if they just sold the holders, but as is every graded card I get I liberate and I have never submitted a single card, nor will I.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

That's why I didn't call them third party . I have little but contempt for the circus of incompetence and almost open corruption plaguing both these firms. But nobody cares about ethics or collecting when there is $$$$ to be made, and so all is forgotten, swept under the rug, and a handful of us shake our fist at the sky.

The holders often present well and I would maybe consider them if they just sold the holders, but as is every graded card I get I liberate and I have never submitted a single card, nor will I.

IMO it's a pretty blatant conflict of interest but you're right nobody cares. Nor does anyone care that they went to random certs, not even PSA has done that. Or that they eliminated the guarantee. Just get those cards back on time and I'm good.

[ClementeFanOh]

Lorewalker- No more false friendliness, eh? Whatever. I'm sure you're
a real sweetheart in person yourself. One thing I am capable of doing,
however, is staying on point. There was nothing provocative at all about
my original response, it was 2 suggestions directly in line with the original
question. You replied with snark, then lashed out when I didn't back off.
Typical attitude, attention span, and value of contribution! Trent King

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

IMO it's a pretty blatant conflict of interest but you're right nobody cares. Nor does anyone care that they went to random certs, not even PSA has done that. Or that they eliminated the guarantee. Just get those cards back on time and I'm good.

Everything is fine. There's no issue with conflicts of interest. Or switching to random certs once people started using certs to ID patterns in submitters and find more altered cards. Or shutting down their auto business after that completely fake Marquard fiasco. Or eliminating the guarantee because they have approved so much crap. There's no problem, stop questioning the basis for peoples investments. Money printer go brrrrrr

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

IMO it's a pretty blatant conflict of interest but you're right nobody cares. Nor does anyone care that they went to random certs, not even PSA has done that. Or that they eliminated the guarantee. Just get those cards back on time and I'm good.

PSA is knee deep in conflicts of interest too. Hard to know between SGC and PSA which is more compromised. Very hard to support either one, presently.