1914 Texas newspaper ad with coupon cigarettes

[Jobu]

Right you are Pat, these should be pre-1919 and T213-3. What I didn't know was whether the side of of Jon's pack had the 20 for 5 on it, but looking at the one you posted more closely I see that they are the same pack, so Jon's does have that on the side.

Mine still has the cigarettes but no card - which might explain the state of the wrapper.

I will measure it -- and also loupe it for the last number in the year. I recall not being able to see anything apart from the 191 part and the bit of printing further to the right.

The larger pack that I saw seemed like it had potential to have held type 1s in it - I wish I had taken a picture. I might be misremembering this too. I will see if I can track it down.

Total speculation, but if T213-1 was a New Orleans-only issue and T213-2 was Louisiana and Texas it might explain the greater number of T213-2s out there.

[canjond]

Here’s also a mid-teens slide and shell from my collection. It’s actually the only slide and shell I’ve seen, but my guess is there are more out there.

[RCMcKenzie]

Nice packs, Jon. Are there any markings about price on the packs you posted? What do you make of the Indian logos having 2 types? Here are side by sides of your packs logos.

[canjond]

The soft is a 20 count, with the 20 for 5 cents labeling on the sides. The slide and shell is a 10 count, and is the same size as other traditional 10 count slide and shells.

In terms of the images, I'd have to look closely. I wonder if some of the differences are just the angles the photos are at. I didn't dig them out to re-photograph them, so both those snaps are quite old. I can dig them out this evening though.

[RCMcKenzie]

Thanks for the update.

On the images, the packs that Pat, Bryan, and Jon posted that say "20 for 5 cents" on the side, have a dot matrix Indian character logo.

The pack that I posted with the factory 42 label, has an Indian logo that is slightly different from the Factory 3 packs. My packs' logo does not have dot matrix. It looks more like a realistic image and less like a drawing. Look at the headdresses, the feathers are different.

The second pack, the 10 count slide pack, has the same image as my Factory 42 pack, which makes me think it was made at a later time.

I'm hoping to find out what pack a T213-2 (20 for 5 cents) back coupon card came in.

[canjond]

Here’s better photos of my 2.

Rob - my slide and shell is sometime post-1910 and pre-1918. No cancel on the stamp.

[RCMcKenzie]

Thanks for the pics and info, Jon. I guess I need better glasses. I don't know why I was seeing 2 different logos. In your last post, they do look the same now.