March Pick Up Thread

[Joe_G.]

For those who study Old Judge cards closely, a run of Fa, Fb, and Fc Detroits courtesy the February Heritage auctions (outside of my small pick-up an impressive grouping of OJs not often seen). These Fa & Fb Detroits are 1888 re-issues of 1887 zero numbered cards. While these re-issues are rarely seen they don't seem to command much of a premium as few collect all variations and are happy with the 1887 initial issue. Most Fb Detroits are new poses of new players, but Goodwin also re-issued most if not all the 1887 cards in 1888 as either Fa or Fb.



The Fa cards typically added first and middle initial (L. G. Twitchell in this case) and the Fa type was source of many misspellings (such as Ganzel becoming Gauzel, Weidman becoming G. E. Weichman, etc.).

The Fb card is Ganzel and was a new add to Carto listing for me (hadn't been studied or recorded previously). These re-issues of existing poses haven't been catalogued with same vigor although this would be first example I've seen in decades of close watching.

The Fc card is of Campau which was introduced to N172 set in 1888 with Kansas City and re-issued in 1889 with Detroit. Happy to add this image upgrade of Campau.

[abmchenry]

Originally Posted by Joe_G.

For those who study Old Judge cards closely, a run of Fa, Fb, and Fc Detroits courtesy the February Heritage auctions (outside of my small pick-up an impressive grouping of OJs not often seen). These Fa & Fb Detroits are 1888 re-issues of 1887 zero numbered cards. While these re-issues are rarely seen they don't seem to command much of a premium as few collect all variations and are happy with the 1887 initial issue. Most Fb Detroits are new poses of new players, but Goodwin also re-issued most if not all the 1887 cards in 1888 as either Fa or Fb.



The Fa cards typically added first and middle initial (L. G. Twitchell in this case) and the Fa type was source of many misspellings (such as Ganzel becoming Gauzel, Weidman becoming G. E. Weichman, etc.).

The Fb card is Ganzel and was a new add to Carto listing for me (hadn't been studied or recorded previously). These re-issues of existing poses haven't been catalogued with same vigor although this would be first example I've seen in decades of close watching.

The Fc card is of Campau which was introduced to N172 set in 1888 with Kansas City and re-issued in 1889 with Detroit. Happy to add this image upgrade of Campau.

Joe I am a novice when it comes to Old Judge, I only have one of a relatively obscure Giant. What do Fa, Fb, and Fc mean in that context?

[bandrus1]

Raw binder pick ups headed to sgc

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by bandrus1

Raw binder pick ups headed to sgc

Congrats on the Raw pickups

[Joe_G.]

Originally Posted by abmchenry

Joe I am a novice when it comes to Old Judge, I only have one of a relatively obscure Giant. What do Fa, Fb, and Fc mean in that context?

When the British Cartophilic Society cataloged the Old Judge set by grouping certain card types by different letter designations. All 1888 N172s are found as one of two types, Fa and Fb, and it has to do with the size of the advertising found on the bottom of the card. All 1889 OJs introduce the word "FACTORY" in the advertising. Fc style would hang on for 1890 as well but with addition of a "NL" or "PL" to designate National League or Players league.

This is a high level explanation of 1888-1890, a bit more complicated for 1886-1887. The Old Judge book is a great resource to understand how the set evolved year to year.

[jiw98]

I found these at a show this weekend.

[RCMcKenzie]

Nice cards, Joe. I think I was bidding on the Campau. Hopefully a KC version will turn up soon.

I traded away a John Ewing for another n172 and was able to replace it in the run of Heritage auctions with this lesser, but still nice example.

[atx840]

Great MCs Mike, agreed he is one of the best out there

[GasHouseGang]

Been slowly working on the T205 HOFers.

[abmchenry]

Thanks Joe for the explanation. These are a bit out of my league price wise generally but I'm now wanting to learn more about this set, so I think I will try and track down that book. Thanks again.

[kkkkandp]

Originally Posted by Joe_G.

Happy to add this image upgrade of Campau.

Nice Campau pickup, Joe! 👍

[pawpawdiv9]

added this for my brother to enjoy- been looking for a nice example

[whaler]

eBay pickup

[abmchenry]

I love Obaks and I love those Obaks!

[Epps]

Excited to pick up an oversized, miscut T210

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[Spike]

Tough hit to my R314 Goudey Premiums arrived this week