I don't get the insane Julio Rodriguez Hype

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by packs

You said you were critical of the prices paid for his cards. But why be critical of what people pay for cards that you're not interested in buying?

He was the number 3 prospect in all of baseball heading into the season. Then he made the All Star team, won ROY, a Silver Slugger and finished 7th in MVP voting. Who else would be hyped if not that player?

critical still does not mean bother...

ROY sure doesnt mean top tier player..

again its question of degree.....terrific prospect but at any price for the card? My opinion is that people are paying too much for this type of player as a ponzi type scheme where the people at the bottom end up losing their money....it happens in stock market too...I would be critical of people buying Gamestop stock at 300, but it doesnt bother me..

I can send you a list of former ROY or former number 3 prospects if you would like that did not pan out at all who had huge pedigree and its more likely than not that they do not meet elite status that people are paying for....

[JustinD]

I don't mind at all what people do with the money they earned.

My only fault is that the prospect market is a grift. 99% of these prospect prices during a release year will come at a long-term loss even if the kid becomes a HoF player. There is no way to maintain the hype for a full career anymore as the prospecting has eliminated the excitement of getting a long term win.

In my mind, it's lose-lose. Much better to play the injury game and buy at a low on an off year and bet on a full recovery.

[Snapolit1]

No matter what he does, his cards will drop in price. That's the modern game. Juan Soto cards have dropped. Bryce Harper cards have dropped. Ohtani cards have dropped. It's just a silly game where new propsects are hyped to ridiculous impossible levels by people who run breaking websites and auction houses, dubious bidding groups run prices up to the stratosphere, and then like a game of musical chairs the musc stops and a lot of bagholders have no idea what just happened. Like a ponzi scheme, it's good going if you get in at the right time, but basically 99% of folks end up losing big time. I've seen the same cycle ovr and over. A few years ago there were insane prices for Bo Bichette cards.

With respect to the hype machine, helps if you have a cool or unusal name or nickname. Best prospect of all time could come long named Joe Smith or Bob Jones and, believe me, his prices aren't gong anywhere. Bobzu Smith yes.
Bob Smith no. Could call it the Zion Effect. Or the Jasson Dominquez effect.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

No matter what he does, his cards will drop in price. That's the modern game. Juan Soto cards have dropped. Bryce Harper cards have dropped. Ohtani cards have dropped. It's just a silly game where new propsects are hyped to ridiculous impossible levels by people who run breaking websites and auction houses, dubious bidding groups run prices up to the stratosphere, and then like a game of musical chairs the musc stops and a lot of bagholders have no idea what just happened. Like a ponzi scheme, it's good going if you get in at the right time, but basically 99% of folks end up losing big time. I've seen the same cycle ovr and over. A few years ago there were insane prices for Bo Bichette cards.

With respect to the hype machine, helps if you have a cool or unusal name or nickname. Best prospect of all time could come long named Joe Smith or Bob Jones and, believe me, his prices aren't gong anywhere. Bobzu Smith yes.
Bob Smith no. Could call it the Zion Effect. Or the Jasson Dominquez effect.

right and some people that get stung may be done with the hobby..so i criticize the artificialness of it and also market manipulation in play as well i would assume unless only angels in that venue..

[packs]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

No matter what he does, his cards will drop in price. That's the modern game. Juan Soto cards have dropped. Bryce Harper cards have dropped. Ohtani cards have dropped. It's just a silly game where new propsects are hyped to ridiculous impossible levels by people who run breaking websites and auction houses, dubious bidding groups run prices up to the stratosphere, and then like a game of musical chairs the musc stops and a lot of bagholders have no idea what just happened. Like a ponzi scheme, it's good going if you get in at the right time, but basically 99% of folks end up losing big time. I've seen the same cycle ovr and over. A few years ago there were insane prices for Bo Bichette cards.

With respect to the hype machine, helps if you have a cool or unusal name or nickname. Best prospect of all time could come long named Joe Smith or Bob Jones and, believe me, his prices aren't gong anywhere. Bobzu Smith yes.
Bob Smith no. Could call it the Zion Effect. Or the Jasson Dominquez effect.

I don't really think you guys are following the modern market. The examples of Juan Soto and Bryce Harper aren't really apt comparisons.

Julio Rodriguez was supposed to be included in the original 2022 Topps Chrome product release. However, he and three other players were held out of the product due to manufacturing issues.

The only way to obtain the Julio Rodriguez short print rookie was to try to pull it from 4 card silver packs released after the fact. This base rookie sells for over a thousand dollars but it's because it's nearly impossible to pull.

The same is true for his Logofractor rookie. His Gilded Collection rookie has to be ripped from a $600 product and even then there are only 199 of them. So, premium product plus short printed rookie. This card also sells for a thousand and above.

There isn't really an apt comparison for Julio other than his contemporaries whose cards had the same print runs. Right now only Spencer Torkelson, Hunter Greene and Bobby Witt had the same print runs but they're all lesser players, except maybe Witt. But his cards sell well too.

You call it hype but there were actually a few unique and contributing factors to the high prices being paid for a flagship base Topps Chrome rookie and other rookies that fall under the short print umbrella.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Like a ponzi scheme, it's good going if you get in at the right time, but basically 99% of folks end up losing big time. I've seen the same cycle ovr and over. A few years ago there were insane prices for Bo Bichette cards.

I would argue it's more like an MLM scam. Get in early and you make out good. Get in late and you're just a sucker annoying your friends lol.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

I would argue it's more like an MLM scam. Get in early and you make out good. Get in late and you're just a sucker annoying your friends lol.

right pyramid scheme.. of course the people at the top are happy..