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Old 02-23-2023, 11:44 AM
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We have actual production figures for other sets of this period that very strongly suggest a minuscule survival rate, not a large one.[/QUOTE]

We do? Which sets?
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We have actual production figures for other sets of this period that very strongly suggest a minuscule survival rate, not a large one.
We do? Which sets?[/QUOTE]

Yes. We do. A book kept by Frank Fullgraff, a project manager running at least a portion of the ATC card projects and working directly for the Brett Lithographing firm and possible the ALC and ATC as well, contains printing counts for a number of 1910 card sets. It is possible that these are not complete and even more millions were printed at other lithographing locations (it seems likely for some of these sets, comparing the figures). This one location, Brett Lithography, produced hundreds of millions of cards in 1910 alone and doesn't account for even half of the 1910 T sets.
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40 million fish cards!!

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Yes. We do. A book kept by Frank Fullgraff, a project manager running at least a portion of the ATC card projects and working directly for the Brett Lithographing firm and possible the ALC and ATC as well, contains printing counts for a number of 1910 card sets. It is possible that these are not complete and even more millions were printed at other lithographing locations (it seems likely for some of these sets, comparing the figures). This one location, Brett Lithography, produced hundreds of millions of cards in 1910 alone and doesn't account for even half of the 1910 T sets.


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40 million fish cards!!

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And that’s only the first series!
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Yup, sounds like a fish story.
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Imagine being the sap who had the highest graded E98 set (in-tact from its original collector) and could have sold it for a nice penny before the Black Swamp find was made and flooded the market...
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Those have always been awesome to look at, Scott. Thanks for posting them.
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Still the nicest E98 set imo Scott.
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Imagine being the sap who had the highest graded E98 set (in-tact from its original collector) and could have sold it for a nice penny before the Black Swamp find was made and flooded the market...
you're doing fine scott, nice set!

BSF is great for the hobby. high grade caramels (or prewars in general) were always exclusive to the deeper pockets or those lucky enough to get a "find". now you can pick up a NRMT hof example for $600-$700, and possibly a cobb/wagner for 4 figures...count me in!
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I think the BSF cards were all (or mostly) red so at least Scott's amazing set has something that distinguishes it (and hopefully means it hasn't lost too much of its value).
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Imagine being the sap who had the highest graded E98 set (in-tact from its original collector) and could have sold it for a nice penny before the Black Swamp find was made and flooded the market...
This is still one if the greatest images to ever show up on Net 54.
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This is still one if the greatest images to ever show up on Net 54.
I was actually just admiring that photo. What a beautiful set !
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This is still one if the greatest images to ever show up on Net 54.
Thanks Jeff,

Much appreciated. I still have the set as part of my collection and still get a lot of enjoyment from owning it so I can't complain too much about the lost opportunity to have sold them before the Black Swamp find.
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