Trading Card Database

swarmee · #1 02-21-2023, 05:57 AM

It's pretty good. But there are a ton of other sites. baseballcardpedia is good for the modern sets.

I have heard that sometimes submitters of checklists and variations to TCDB have created fakes and then listed them as real in TCDB. Not sure if it was for S&G, or some convoluted way to defraud people. But that seems to be more the exception than the rule, since it's crowdsourced.

bnorth · #2 02-21-2023, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by swarmee

It's pretty good. But there are a ton of other sites. baseballcardpedia is good for the modern sets.

I have heard that sometimes submitters of checklists and variations to TCDB have created fakes and then listed them as real in TCDB. Not sure if it was for S&G, or some convoluted way to defraud people. But that seems to be more the exception than the rule, since it's crowdsourced.

I think it is a great website and have used it many many times for their checklists.

I have also seen some photoshopped cards on there listed as variations. My guess is for S&G. It did cause me to look for a nonexistent 55 Bowman variation for some time.

G1911 · #3 02-21-2023, 01:49 PM

Generally good resources, that grows better with every day due to the crowdsourcing. It seems to be the likely winner of the crowdsource-card-checklisting idea websites.

It is generally better with modern cards than old.

I haven't caught photoshopped cards, but there are many checklist problems in more obscure or non-big sport sets from well-meaning editors who copy in information from the incorrect checklists that have been floating about online for years. For example, T220 is a disaster.

isiahfan · #4 02-21-2023, 02:41 PM

It is the one place I have been able to find examples of rare modern Topps SP, SSP & pose variation cards

Mike D. · #5 02-21-2023, 02:45 PM

I think it's a great resource, although I use it for post-WAR and modern instead of pre-war. I'm also a contributor, having uploaded over 700 scans myself.

I use to to answer questions like:

"What was that guy's first card?"

"What cards did that guy have that year?"

"What IS this card I'm holding?"

OLDBILL · #6 02-21-2023, 03:08 PM

Has anyone purchased a card from here with confidence? Especially worrying about potentially expensive Cabinet cards posted there.

G1911 · #7 02-21-2023, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by OLDBILL

Has anyone purchased a card from here with confidence? Especially worrying about potentially expensive Cabinet cards posted there.

It�s a BST board like any other, caveat emptor.

BillyCoxDodgers3B · #8 02-21-2023, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by OLDBILL

Has anyone purchased a card from here with confidence? Especially worrying about potentially expensive Cabinet cards posted there.

I've never made a large purchase from there, but all the small purchases were great. Have traded a ton, too. That site is full of very friendly people, and there's finally a place for us to rid ourselves of junk era material to collectors who actually collect it! I highly recommend it. Just deal with people who are capable of prompt and courteous communication, keep your monetary transaction values small, and it's a great place.

If anyone decides to join in the fun and wants to add a ton of cards to their trade list on there, I would advise against using Google Chrome, as there are often issues with the site freezing or just general slowness. Firefox seems to work the best for me when adding tons of cards at one time. Edge isn't terrible, either, but stick with Firefox.

OLDBILL · #9 02-22-2023, 08:03 PM

Thanks everyone for all your kind advice.

Mungo Hungo · #10 02-23-2023, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by swarmee

It's pretty good. But there are a ton of other sites. baseballcardpedia is good for the modern sets.

I have heard that sometimes submitters of checklists and variations to TCDB have created fakes and then listed them as real in TCDB. Not sure if it was for S&G, or some convoluted way to defraud people. But that seems to be more the exception than the rule, since it's crowdsourced.

So this thread seems to be largely at an end, but I really hope that no one has the misconception that TCDB is a vehicle for fraud or that it's on par with sites like Baseballcardpedia. I have to say that I'm really astounded by those statements, and respectfully wonder if the person who posted that is perhaps thinking of something else.

I just checked, and TCDB has a database of 17.7 million cards, all searchable. Aside from Beckett, no other online site has anything remotely approaching that number.

As one or two other posters mentioned, it's crowdsourced, so there's always some possibility of a user uploading bad information, but the moderators take their jobs VERY seriously there, and many complain that the site is actually too restrictive as to what can and cannot be added. From experience, I know that when other users alert the site to mistakes, they are quickly taken down.

I post this because I'd love to see more pre-war collectors over there. If anyone has issues about anything that's missing or can be improved, they very much have the option to add to or change things. As someone else mentioned, TCDB is the apparent winner of the card crowdsourcing competition, so this site will likely be with us for a very long time to come.

Eric72 · #11 02-24-2023, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Mungo Hungo

So this thread seems to be largely at an end, but I really hope that no one has the misconception that TCDB is a vehicle for fraud or that it's on par with sites like Baseballcardpedia. I have to say that I'm really astounded by those statements, and respectfully wonder if the person who posted that is perhaps thinking of something else.

I just checked, and TCDB has a database of 17.7 million cards, all searchable. Aside from Beckett, no other online site has anything remotely approaching that number.

As one or two other posters mentioned, it's crowdsourced, so there's always some possibility of a user uploading bad information, but the moderators take their jobs VERY seriously there, and many complain that the site is actually too restrictive as to what can and cannot be added. From experience, I know that when other users alert the site to mistakes, they are quickly taken down.

I post this because I'd love to see more pre-war collectors over there. If anyone has issues about anything that's missing or can be improved, they very much have the option to add to or change things. As someone else mentioned, TCDB is the apparent winner of the card crowdsourcing competition, so this site will likely be with us for a very long time to come.

This was precisely the type of post I had hoped for when posting this thread. Thank you.

rhettyeakley · #12 02-24-2023, 02:00 PM

I use it as an easy checklist tool.

I do find it annoying that the users there just take images from other websites and post them there without any reference to where the images came from. They have copied nearly every picture i have on my website of my Zeenut collection and it is now on tcdb. Pretty lame thing to do actually.

butchie_t · #13 02-24-2023, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by rhettyeakley

I use it as an easy checklist tool.

I do find it annoying that the users there just take images from other websites and post them there without any reference to where the images came from. They have copied nearly every picture i have on my website of my Zeenut collection and it is now on tcdb. Pretty lame thing to do actually.

You can step into them and claim copyright protections. As an owner of the pictures, you have that right.

BobC · #14 02-24-2023, 06:27 PM

We shall see how good/responsive they are. I just informed them through their "See any inaccuracies" function of some rather obvious errors in a couple of their set checklists, and an unreported error in one of the same sets that they do not list. I also inquired about another known set they do not list at all, and then mentioned an additional set that is uncatalogued, but known and documented through sales in a major auction house, and provided the links as proof.

I did not sign up as a member, and don't intend to. But if they do nothing and claim that my not formerly signing up/registering with them is a reason/excuse for them taking no action on very obvious errors, the problem and mistake clearly is on them! We'll see how good they are in monitoring and making any corrections and needed changes, and how quickly they act.

These are pre-war sets I'm talking about, not modern sets. I leave the modern stuff to sites like theirs, and have no opinion or comment on how good and accurate they are in their listings, descriptions, and checklists of such modern sets. Just surprised with all the errors I still come across on various sites regarding pre-war cards. You would think after all these years, and the decades of the SCD Catalogs, that there would be fewer, if any, errors still showing up in checklists for these old sets that other sites keep using/posting.

Mike D. · #15 02-24-2023, 06:43 PM

I've reported a number of errors I came across on the site, and in many cases, they were corrected within an hour.

Mungo Hungo · #16 02-24-2023, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by BobC

We shall see how good/responsive they are. I just informed them through their "See any inaccuracies" function of some rather obvious errors in a couple of their set checklists, and an unreported error in one of the same sets that they do not list. I also inquired about another known set they do not list at all, and then mentioned an additional set that is uncatalogued, but known and documented through sales in a major auction house, and provided the links as proof.

I did not sign up as a member, and don't intend to. But if they do nothing and claim that my not formerly signing up/registering with them is a reason/excuse for them taking no action on very obvious errors, the problem and mistake clearly is on them! We'll see how good they are in monitoring and making any corrections and needed changes, and how quickly they act.

These are pre-war sets I'm talking about, not modern sets. I leave the modern stuff to sites like theirs, and have no opinion or comment on how good and accurate they are in their listings, descriptions, and checklists of such modern sets. Just surprised with all the errors I still come across on various sites regarding pre-war cards. You would think after all these years, and the decades of the SCD Catalogs, that there would be fewer, if any, errors still showing up in checklists for these old sets that other sites keep using/posting.

Keep in mind that TCDB is not a business. There is literally no "they" or "them"; just the collective membership. Some have more rights to fix things than others, but they're all just collectors.

Anyone who wants to add a checklist can do so by requesting that right (you have to take a basic test on the board checklisting procedures) or messaging the complete checklist to the site. Providing links to evidence of the existence of a set probably will not be enough to have the set added. The site seems to run by the rule that everyone is expected to pitch in and provide all of the information available to them, rather than asking others to research things.

Again, the only way for that site to improve its pre-war checklists, scans, etc., is for pre-war collectors to join (it's free) and add/correct what they can. Every bit makes a difference.

BobC · #17 05-18-2023, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by BobC

We shall see how good/responsive they are. I just informed them through their "See any inaccuracies" function of some rather obvious errors in a couple of their set checklists, and an unreported error in one of the same sets that they do not list. I also inquired about another known set they do not list at all, and then mentioned an additional set that is uncatalogued, but known and documented through sales in a major auction house, and provided the links as proof.

I did not sign up as a member, and don't intend to. But if they do nothing and claim that my not formerly signing up/registering with them is a reason/excuse for them taking no action on very obvious errors, the problem and mistake clearly is on them! We'll see how good they are in monitoring and making any corrections and needed changes, and how quickly they act.

These are pre-war sets I'm talking about, not modern sets. I leave the modern stuff to sites like theirs, and have no opinion or comment on how good and accurate they are in their listings, descriptions, and checklists of such modern sets. Just surprised with all the errors I still come across on various sites regarding pre-war cards. You would think after all these years, and the decades of the SCD Catalogs, that there would be fewer, if any, errors still showing up in checklists for these old sets that other sites keep using/posting.

Update to my earlier post. Haven't seen any changes made to the checklist/item errors I had reported to the site. I specifically used the link provided to report any inaccuracies, and followed the instructions as given, but haven't seen a thing done to correct anything. I thought I followed the rules in reporting the checklist errors I saw, and nothing on the site said or indicated there was anything further I needed or was supposed to do in regard to such error corrections, so I am at a loss as to the deficiencies I'm clearly seeing in this process.

Also, in regard to the twist this thread took in relation to copyright questions and issues that we assumed were well settled (or so we all thought), seems our current judicial branch is creating even more potential turmoil in our lives once again. Not necessarily exactly the same issue being discussed in this thread, but appears to bring up questions in regard to the Fair Use Doctrine when it comes to using/showing images of others.

BobC · #18 02-24-2023, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by butchie_t

You can step into them and claim copyright protections. As an owner of the pictures, you have that right.

Butch,

Is that actually true? For example, if you buy a card from an auction house that keeps an archive of their auctions, including images of items sold, up and online, how can you as the current owner of that card/item force them to take the image down, or otherwise ensure that no one else can/use copy the image?

Same thing I guess when someone posts an image here on the forum, how do you go about stopping someone else from copying and using it? Couldn't someone simply claim they acquired/copied the image prior to your taking ownership of the card/item? And of course, the legal cost of trying to go back at someone for such an infringement is not going to be nominal either, and would likely deter most people from ever really doing anything about someone else using their photos/images of cards/items they own.

I'm asking this as a serious question also, as I am not that knowledgeable when it comes to copyright laws and infringements in regard to photos and images of items owned by someone, especially when there can also be numerous photo/image copies all over the internet prior to someone's actually acquiring the original item/image itself.

abothebear · #19 02-24-2023, 08:13 PM

I joined a year ago and have traded nearly 100 times. It is fun if you both want to unload post-war stuff and also want to get some post war stuff. Pre-war isn�t nearly as represented, but most cards there are inexpensive cards, so that�s part of it. But if you do have pre-war you want to trade for something newer, people love being able to trade for the old stuff. People love trading over there in general, and there is always someone who wants even the junkiest junk wax cards. It is time consuming though, to learn to enter your lists, field or propose trade offers, counter, counter, check other options, accept, mail, etc. I�ve had to put trading on hold a few times just because I was spending too much time on it. I�ve also bought and sold over there and it is easy. I�d suggest reviewing feedback on anyone you are thinking about making a deal with. And sometimes it is good to read the message boards because you�ll find threads pointing out a rotten apple, and often you�ll find a commenter there with a signature listing other bad apples he�s encountered. Also, always ask for pictures of any cards you are dealing for. There are a surprising number of traders who don�t give a lock about condition. I�ve made a few trades where some cards from the group I received went right into the bin. It is weird throwing a Smoltz RC away, but even in great condition it isn�t worth anything, one with a water stain is straight garbage. Lots of great people over there though.

butchie_t · #20 02-24-2023, 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobC

Butch,

Is that actually true? For example, if you buy a card from an auction house that keeps an archive of their auctions, including images of items sold, up and online, how can you as the current owner of that card/item force them to take the image down, or otherwise ensure that no one else can/use copy the image?

Same thing I guess when someone posts an image here on the forum, how do you go about stopping someone else from copying and using it? Couldn't someone simply claim they acquired/copied the image prior to your taking ownership of the card/item? And of course, the legal cost of trying to go back at someone for such an infringement is not going to be nominal either, and would likely deter most people from ever really doing anything about someone else using their photos/images of cards/items they own.

I'm asking this as a serious question also, as I am not that knowledgeable when it comes to copyright laws and infringements in regard to photos and images of items owned by someone, especially when there can also be numerous photo/image copies all over the internet prior to someone's actually acquiring the original item/image itself.

Bob,

This is a picture that you take and then post to your own web site. You own the rights to that picture that you take and publish. If someone (auction house) takes a picture of your card, they own the rights to that picture that they publish. Now with the metadata that is captured within a picture, it is actually easier to trace its origin than it has been in years past.

Pictures that you take and upload to sites like this one tend to become property of Leon. You/we may have agreed to release rights to a picture once it is uploaded to this site. But as a web site owner, if you take a picture and upload it to your website the rights to that photo belong to you.

This is how I understood it to be when I was getting school learned years ago.

https://www.pixsy.com/academy/image-...righted%20work.

Butch

Aquarian Sports Cards · #21 02-25-2023, 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobC

Butch,

Is that actually true? For example, if you buy a card from an auction house that keeps an archive of their auctions, including images of items sold, up and online, how can you as the current owner of that card/item force them to take the image down, or otherwise ensure that no one else can/use copy the image?

Same thing I guess when someone posts an image here on the forum, how do you go about stopping someone else from copying and using it? Couldn't someone simply claim they acquired/copied the image prior to your taking ownership of the card/item? And of course, the legal cost of trying to go back at someone for such an infringement is not going to be nominal either, and would likely deter most people from ever really doing anything about someone else using their photos/images of cards/items they own.

I'm asking this as a serious question also, as I am not that knowledgeable when it comes to copyright laws and infringements in regard to photos and images of items owned by someone, especially when there can also be numerous photo/image copies all over the internet prior to someone's actually acquiring the original item/image itself.

You own the item not previously made images.

steve B · #22 02-26-2023, 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobC

Butch,

Is that actually true? For example, if you buy a card from an auction house that keeps an archive of their auctions, including images of items sold, up and online, how can you as the current owner of that card/item force them to take the image down, or otherwise ensure that no one else can/use copy the image?

Same thing I guess when someone posts an image here on the forum, how do you go about stopping someone else from copying and using it? Couldn't someone simply claim they acquired/copied the image prior to your taking ownership of the card/item? And of course, the legal cost of trying to go back at someone for such an infringement is not going to be nominal either, and would likely deter most people from ever really doing anything about someone else using their photos/images of cards/items they own.

I'm asking this as a serious question also, as I am not that knowledgeable when it comes to copyright laws and infringements in regard to photos and images of items owned by someone, especially when there can also be numerous photo/image copies all over the internet prior to someone's actually acquiring the original item/image itself.

My laymans understanding is that you couldn't prevent someone from copying and using an auction house photo of something you now own. But the auction house could.

Likewise, I have created very nearly all the scans I post here. So I have some copyright on those images. For stuff that has a current rights holder it's possible that my scans of say a Topps card infringe their copyright. But I'm probably ok under fair use. That being said, if Topps complained I'd take the scans down until we sorted things out. It's the simplest and cheapest.

The question though is that while I created them I freely shared them on a free message board. And I have no illusion that scans of my cards have any legitimate commercial value. So if someone uses them so much the better.
(I ran across a prettied up version of a scan I did well over a decade ago of a bicycle companys internal message to dealers about a new serial number system. Commented that it was cool seeing my scan still circulating. The guy who had it seemed at first confused, then a bit hesitant until I explained that yes, I made the original scan and still owned the original document, and that I had absolutely no problem with it being distributed as widely as possible. )

Then there's issues of rights to publicise an image, especially in NY... One of the reasons I believe that no high res scans are available of the Burdick collection anymore. Or the baseball portion at any rate. I used to be able to get some great T206 images for commons, but not HOFers. Now it's low res for everything.

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