Roberto Clemente Banned in Florida

[packs]

But that's what I mean. Isn't the same true for a ton of celebrated movies? Why does the music make it different?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

But that's what I mean. Isn't the same true for a ton of celebrated movies? Why does the music make it different?

I'm not sure what celebrated movies are as dehumanizing to women, especially black women, as some rap.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I'm not sure what celebrated movies are as dehumanizing to women, especially black women, as some rap.

right, again question of degree, music hits home at a more basic level as to the reality of rap music versus movies. To say that rap music impacts the youth that are depicted in the music in the real world the same as 'goodfellas' is silly

its really a silly comparison, there are gangs and gang life depicted in rap who are actual gangsters in real life, i guess al pacino is gangster as well... yeah i am sure in movies there are one or two but again its a quesition of degree and its not even close

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by packs

But that's what I mean. Isn't the same true for a ton of celebrated movies? Why does the music make it different?

What are the ton of celebrated movies you speak of.. i know i can google a ton of degrading rap videos of woman and also of actual gangsters in the videos. The real violence versus fantasy movie violence is distinct

There have been actual rappers shot and killed that were in the 'life', i am not aware of rival movies stars shooting each other over reputation and who knows why else. about 18 rappers have been shot and killed in the last 2 years or so........if they are not so different why dont i see people wearing shirts of dead movies stars that were murdered. There is a style of rap called 'battle rap' i am not aware of anything close in the celebrated movies, but i can tell you many of these battle rappers were the most popular at the time and celebrated.. Many of these murders were directly related to the rap game...not because of an angry spouse etc

..https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._hop_musicians

[packs]

You might remember, maybe not because it doesn't sound like you're a movie guy, but a whole host of Hollywood types in "the life" went to prison or face possible prison sentences because of some truly horrible things they've done to people in their industry. You may be even more shocked to learn that many more Hollywood types faced no consequences at all for what they did.

This is all to say there are bad people and bad themes in every medium, which is what my point is. Being a rapper doesn't say anything more about who you are than being an actor does.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by packs

You might remember, maybe not because it doesn't sound like you're a movie guy, but a whole host of Hollywood types in "the life" went to prison or face possible prison sentences because of some truly horrible things they've done to people in their industry.

You may be even more shocked to learn that many more Hollywood types faced no consequences at all for what they did.

At least one person, likley got AWAY with murder, was it somewhat in part to the color of his skin or his fame?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

At least one person, likley got AWAY with murder, was it somewhat in part to the color of his skin or his fame?

I attribute that to the ineptness of the prosecution more than anything.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by packs

You might remember, maybe not because it doesn't sound like you're a movie guy, but a whole host of Hollywood types in "the life" went to prison or face possible prison sentences because of some truly horrible things they've done to people in their industry. You may be even more shocked to learn that many more Hollywood types faced no consequences at all for what they did.

This is all to say there are bad people and bad themes in every medium, which is what my point is. Being a rapper doesn't say anything more about who you are than being an actor does.

Amazing post. Some are quick to turn a blind eye to rapist Hollywood folks but focus on rappers.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Carter08

Amazing post. Some are quick to turn a blind eye to rapist Hollywood folks but focus on rappers.

Who is turning a blind eye?

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Carter08

Amazing post. Some are quick to turn a blind eye to rapist Hollywood folks but focus on rappers.

right there have not been any rape scandals in rap either and rape against minors in the music world ....

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Carter08

Amazing post. Some are quick to turn a blind eye to rapist Hollywood folks but focus on rappers.

murder is also a unique category, murder is the highest cause death for certain youths.....unfortunately in lots of areas in life, only killing/murder gets people attention...the fact i can show you 18 murders in just one genre of murder directly related to that art form is telling... there is no hollywood comparison

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by packs

You might remember, maybe not because it doesn't sound like you're a movie guy, but a whole host of Hollywood types in "the life" went to prison or face possible prison sentences because of some truly horrible things they've done to people in their industry. You may be even more shocked to learn that many more Hollywood types faced no consequences at all for what they did.

This is all to say there are bad people and bad themes in every medium, which is what my point is. Being a rapper doesn't say anything more about who you are than being an actor does.

Right being black or white doesnt mean anything either. So thats a a bunch of nothing. However if you want to compare the 30th best selling rappers on spotify versus the 30th best selling actors...i am going to take a wild guess that the murder rate/criminal is higher for rappers, maybe its an age thing...but it is what it is...as don lemon says 'google it'

[packs]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Right being black or white doesnt mean anything either. So thats a a bunch of nothing. However if you want to compare the 30th best selling rappers on spotify versus the 30th best selling actors...i am going to take a wild guess that the murder rate/criminal is higher for rappers, maybe its an age thing...but it is what it is...as don lemon says 'google it'

Do you think that everything in a rap song reflects an actual life? I'm sure you're familiar with marketing and selling an image. But all of your posts about rappers and rap music seems to come from a POV that the song is real life.

Anyway, I’m not saying violence in hip hop doesn’t exist. Only that it seems to get put under a microscope. Every genre has its own issues that seem to follow them. I’m thinking of overdoses in the rock world, for example. And then there are a number of violent deaths that have little connection to music itself like Selena, Sam Cooke, Marvin Gaye and John Lennon.

[BobbyStrawberry]

My, this has gone off the rails... I like how each one of these "controversial" topic threads gets more absurd than the last! 🙃

[Deertick]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

My, this has gone off the rails... I like how each one of these "controversial" topic threads gets more absurd than the last! 🙃

And usually preceded by an appearance of a marker, sorta like a robin in spring. First a meme, then a list of insane links, then Emily Litella-style stream of consciousness rambling....Play Ball!

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by packs

Do you think that everything in a rap song reflects an actual life? I'm sure you're familiar with marketing and selling an image. But all of your posts about rappers and rap music seems to come from a POV that the song is real life.

Anyway, I’m not saying violence in hip hop doesn’t exist. Only that it seems to get put under a microscope. Every genre has its own issues that seem to follow them. I’m thinking of overdoses in the rock world, for example. And then there are a number of violent deaths that have little connection to music itself like Selena, Sam Cooke, Marvin Gaye and John Lennon.

again we are not talking about all this or all that. But murder is more than an 'issue' The murder of rival gang members is DIRECT connection to the music, battle rappers being murdered is a direct connection as well. Of course not all hip hop has violence. Most people in the world dont kill people. Yet we still focus on the ones that kill. All music and rap isnt actual life as well of course. Just because something doesnt occur all the time, doesnt mean its an issue especially when its murder.... 18 dead rappers that were popular in the charts killed in the last 2 years cant be chalked up as drug overdoses in other genres.. and of course there are young people that emulate these guys that are killed or the ones doing the killing as well.

Basically the point was that this music isnt as much on our tongues about being banned but we worry about one book on roberto clemente in a misleading headline or willy wanka, dr seuss etc..


there are crazy fans that kill people in all genres...for you to make a similar point you would have to show a movie star killing another movie star because of what the movie star said about him or his family in a movie, does that occur once a year? how about 18 times in 2 years? this music can be purchased easily on spotify..but again we are going to worry about a political spin on a clemente book.

https://www.okayplayer.com/news/tech...ges-death.html


https://www.hiphopoverload.com/battl...P8qA3moTcs1O_8

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

again we are not talking about all this or all that. But murder is more than an 'issue' The murder of rival gang members is DIRECT connection to the music, battle rappers being murdered is a direct connection as well. Of course not all hip hop has violence. Most people in the world dont kill people. Yet we still focus on the ones that kill. All music and rap isnt actual life as well of course. Just because something doesnt occur all the time, doesnt mean its an issue especially when its murder.... 18 dead rappers that were popular in the charts killed in the last 2 years cant be chalked up as drug overdoses in other genres.. and of course there are young people that emulate these guys that are killed or the ones doing the killing as well.

Basically the point was that this music isnt as much on our tongues about being banned but we worry about one book on roberto clemente in a misleading headline or willy wanka, dr seuss etc..


there are crazy fans that kill people in all genres...for you to make a similar point you would have to show a movie star killing another movie star because of what the movie star said about him or his family in a movie, does that occur once a year? how about 18 times in 2 years? this music can be purchased easily on spotify..but again we are going to worry about a political spin on a clemente book.

https://www.okayplayer.com/news/tech...ges-death.html


https://www.hiphopoverload.com/battl...P8qA3moTcs1O_8

Is it possible that some rap artists are expressing their American experience? Some people do not get to grow up in middle and upper class households and those that do should probably not judge how those that don’t express themselves. It’s not shocking that there is more crime in poorer areas than more affluent ones.