Roberto Clemente Banned in Florida

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

well Dr. Seuss! It is funny in politics if one side is doing something 90 percent and the other 10 ...the one doing it 90 percent of the time says its on 'both sides

It can only be a matter of time before some of the early Disney animated films are banned, if they are not already.

[packs]

I'm not really sure how to feel about the Roald Dahl controversy. His most famous work, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, has already gone through extensive revisions since it was first released. The Oompa-Loompa's represented in the movie are nothing like they're originally described in his book. And editions of this book have featured altered descriptions for the Oompa-Loompa for a pretty long time. Mostly because even the original version was considered offensive shortly after it came out.

[1952boyntoncollector]

[QUOTE=packs;2316454]I'm not really sure how to feel about the Roald Dahl controversy. His most famous work, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, has already gone through extensive revisions since it was first released. The Oompa-Loompa's represented in the movie are nothing like they're originally described in his book. And editions of this book have featured altered descriptions for the Oompa-Loompa for a pretty long time. Mostly because even the original version was considered offensive shortly after it came out.[/QUOTE

maybe can make a law that allows someone to make a 'different' book that is similar but has the 'changes' and they cant be sued by the original publisher...maybe give the original publisher a chance to 'change' it and if not then you can do a rip off version for profit...that way the original doesnt have to change if they dont want to change it..and capitalism is intact as well

[packs]

I think you're misunderstanding. The original publisher of Charlie chose to release an updated version of the book with altered descriptions for the Oompa-Loompa's because of backlash directed at the original version.

I don't know where capitalism comes in.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by packs

I think you're misunderstanding. The original publisher of Charlie chose to release an updated version of the book with altered descriptions for the Oompa-Loompa's because of backlash directed at the original version.

I don't know where capitalism comes in.

i was giving a thought as to how to handle future issues when the government wants to ban or change words used by authors..

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It can only be a matter of time before some of the early Disney animated films are banned, if they are not already.

Way back in 1959, the Stratemeyer Syndicate, owners of The Hardy Boys and Nancy Drew serial books, began revising these books. One reason was to reduce the size by about 40 pages, and to "modernize" the stories, but another big reason was to remove some pretty flagrant racial stereotypes and slurs. I have complete sets of these books, including almost all variations, and while the original stories are more interesting, some of the racial stuff is really blatant. Like, having a black servant barely able to speak English, and so on.

So, revising books to stay current with evolving social norms goes back at least half a century. The question will always be, how heavy should the hand be that pushes the revisions, and in what direction should the force be applied.

[packs]

Hardly anyone gets up in arms about modern fairy tales. I've got news for everyone: most of them barely resemble the original story. The original fairy tale stories are often violent and bleak. If no one is upset about Hansel and Gretel's softening, why are they upset about Roald Dahl?

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by packs

Hardly anyone gets up in arms about modern fairy tales. I've got news for everyone: most of them barely resemble the original story. The original fairy tale stories are often violent and bleak. If no one is upset about Hansel and Gretel's softening, why are they upset about Roald Dahl?

because its a question of degree....i am going to take a wild guess and assume the original fairy tale stories are a different level then then the willy wonka

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Mark17

Way back in 1959, the Stratemeyer Syndicate, owners of The Hardy Boys and Nancy Drew serial books, began revising these books. One reason was to reduce the size by about 40 pages, and to "modernize" the stories, but another big reason was to remove some pretty flagrant racial stereotypes and slurs. I have complete sets of these books, including almost all variations, and while the original stories are more interesting, some of the racial stuff is really blatant. Like, having a black servant barely able to speak English, and so on.

So, revising books to stay current with evolving social norms goes back at least half a century. The question will always be, how heavy should the hand be that pushes the revisions, and in what direction should the force be applied.

Yeah, my fear is that the cure may be worse than the disease, once censorship becomes a norm. But that said, there is some horrifying stuff in early Disney for sure. Even Aladdin 1992 was awful in how it stereotyped Arab people.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Yeah, my fear is that the cure may be worse than the disease, once censorship becomes a norm. But that said, there is some horrifying stuff in early Disney for sure. Even Aladdin 1992 was awful in how it stereotyped Arab people.

There are terrible stereo types in rap music as well and the list goes on and on.. so ban everything

[packs]

Isn't the intention the same? The original fairy tale was deemed too upsetting for children so it was altered to appeal to children of the time.

What's different about Roald Dahl's work?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

There are terrible stereo types in rap music as well and the list goes on and on.. so ban everything

Yes, that aspect of some rap seems to get a very large pass for the most part. Here is a very old piece by my classmate Kim Crenshaw.

https://www.bostonreview.net/article...-and-misogyny/

[packs]

People like to bring up rap. What is it about rap that pushes buttons? Someone will be upset about the lyrics to a rap song but then talk about how much they love Goodfellas or any number of movies in that vein.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

People like to bring up rap. What is it about rap that pushes buttons? Someone will be upset about the lyrics to a rap song but then talk about how much they love Goodfellas or any number of movies in that vein.

The blatant vulgar misogyny, for one.

[BobC]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It can only be a matter of time before some of the early Disney animated films are banned, if they are not already.

They've done similar things with more recent stories/movies already. IIRC, didn't the Space Jam: 2 movie remove Pepe Le Pew?

[Republicaninmass]

Spike lee seems to stereotype Italians. It's seems ok though for minorities to stereotype people , or is that a stereotype. Arrrgghh!

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Spike lee seems to stereotype Italians. It's seems ok though for minorities to stereotype people , or is that a stereotype. Arrrgghh!

we have black racist police against black now....will it ever be ok for someone to arrest someone of another race...seems hard enough to do it as the same race and still be a racist by the media and the talking heads

[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It can only be a matter of time before some of the early Disney animated films are banned, if they are not already.

You remember the old Mighty Mouse cartoons, where MM would inhale white powder to get himself charged up? You don't get to see those anymore.

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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Gorditadogg

You remember the old Mighty Mouse cartoons, where MM would inhale white powder to get himself charged up? You don't get to see those anymore.

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Nowadays he would just take a CBD gummy, according to the 10 ads I get a day it can perform almost any miracle.