Greg Morris - Trimmed Card? Proper Response?

[Lucas00]

I've personally bought a "NM" card from GM with a pinhole in it and was about to buy another card the other month that had a crease in it marked Ex-Exmint. Which I contacted them about and they confirmed it was indeed a crease. Although the auction went on and nothing was mentioned of it. Which isn't great..

However I've also had a good number of positive experiences with them.

Probably 2/20 experiences ive had a pretty severe condition issue that was missed. Not the best but also a possible statistical anomaly/just bad luck

[Fred]

Jim,

Did you request the card measurements from the seller?

Can you do the same analysis for the back? That may provide an interesting contrast to the front comparison because of the writing on the back may show a significant difference the front doesn't show clearly.

Just my humble opinion - If there's any doubt, especially on a card that's not just a $10 card, then you would think a better examination of the card would be in order by the seller.

One thing for sure is that the seller does a HIGH VOLUME of sales so it's understood that they don't measure every card, but in a case like this, they might take it into consideration and save a buyer (and themselves) the headache of a possible return.

[raulus]

Isn't this an example where the eBay authenticity guarantee will kick in?

Unless I'm off the mark, I think CSG will be taking a look at the card before it goes to the buyer, and if it's trimmed but not labeled as trimmed in the eBay listing, then I suspect that CSG will reject it.

Of course, some will say that they knew it was trimmed, but wanted it anyway, and therefore will blame the eBay AG for getting in the way of their deal.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by raulus

Isn't this an example where the eBay authenticity guarantee will kick in?

Unless I'm off the mark, I think CSG will be taking a look at the card before it goes to the buyer, and if it's trimmed but not labeled as trimmed in the eBay listing, then I suspect that CSG will reject it.

Of course, some will say that they knew it was trimmed, but wanted it anyway, and therefore will blame the eBay AG for getting in the way of their deal.

It is, if CSG catches the trimming. The graders have a long history of spotting obvious trimming correctly, so I’m sure they will indeed and all will be well.

[JollyElm]

Before and after, best I could do quickly...

[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

Before and after, best I could do quickly...

Ugh. There is a lot of that card missing.

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[STL1944]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

Before and after, best I could do quickly...

I sent a follow-up email with a link to JollyElm's gift above (great job by the way) and an hour later GM took down the listing.

[Exhibitman]

I am very interested in a 47 Tip Top Spahn so I was watching the auction closely. When I went to set my snipe, I just wasn't comfortable with the card. Looked far too narrow. I trust my first impression when it comes to the overall look of a card and this one just does not look right. There is also a real problem with reprints; apparently, some very good ones have been made. They are easily caught in hand if you have experience with the set, not so much online. The good reprints I've seen are narrower, probably to conceal the lines that would be on the edges from the reshoot of the original.

I think a card like this has to be in a slab if you are going to sell it online. I cannot do my due diligence as a buyer if I cannot examine the card from all angles in-person, check the stock, etc. That's where the TPGs come in handy. I know they miss stuff, but they also catch a lot of stuff. If the card makes it into a slab the odds of my getting a reprint or an altered card are much lower.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Fred

One thing for sure is that the seller does a HIGH VOLUME of sales so it's understood that they don't measure every card, but in a case like this, they might take it into consideration and save a buyer (and themselves) the headache of a possible return.

Actually that is not true. Unless something has changed, they scan every card once it makes it past a human grader and while being scanned it measures the card with cards measuring too small being rejected and not listed.

[Fred]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

Actually that is not true. Unless something has changed, they scan every card once it makes it past a human grader and while being scanned it measures the card with cards measuring too small being rejected and not listed.

Perhaps something has changed and/or there are PSA graders that are moonlighting by working for the seller.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Fred

Perhaps something has changed and/or there are PSA graders that are moonlighting by working for the seller.

No company deserves to have PSA graders working for them.

[parkplace33]

Unfortunately, GM doesn’t care.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by parkplace33

Unfortunately, GM doesn’t care.

At this point does anyone care? Why does every card have to be graded? That's all we hear what grade will it grade will it grade...crap just buy it and keep it raw or if you think it's trimmed don't buy it! Why do so many people need vindications from the TPG's? Let it go.