Feller rookie?

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by Baseball Rarities

Not to go too off subject, but there is no W600 Type 1 of Matty.

His W600 Type 2 and E107 cards were both issued in 1903.

Right!! I have a type 3. I knew what I had was his second w600. I just thought it was a type 2 to his rookie, the type 1.

In that case, which is the proper rookie, w600 type 2 or e107? It seems Phil’s explanation and conclusion that it’s e107 is correct, no?

Wagner has a type 1, and that is his rookie (not e107)

[Baseball Rarities]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Right!! I have a type 3. I knew what I had was his second w600. I just thought it was a type 2 to his rookie, the type 1.

In that case, which is the proper rookie, w600 type 2 or e107? It seems Phil’s explanation and conclusion that it’s e107 is correct, no?

Wagner has a type 1, and that is his rookie (not e107)

Ryan - First of all, what a fantastic W600 Wagner.

Yes, Mathewson has a W600 Type 2 that was issued in 1903. His E107 was also issued in 1903. I assume that both would be considered his rookie card.

Wagner has a W600 Type 1 that was issued in 1902. Since his E107 was not issued, until 1903, I consider his W600 Type 1 his rookie card - unless you want to count his 1899 M101-1 The Sporting Life and National Copper Plate supplements

[Baseball Rarities]

Also, FWIW, I have always considered Feller's 1937 V300 and R314 cards to be his "rookies."

[bcbgcbrcb]

The limit that I use size wise for “cards” is standard cabinet card, which is approximately 4.25” X 6.50”. The W600’s go a little above and beyond but are such an integral part of the hobby that I didn’t want to omit them from rookie card consideration. Another major factor in this decision has to do with the card stock used, they were obviously intended to be collected and saved long term as opposed to many of the other “oversize” items of the era which were made of much thinner paper, making it much more difficult for them to have been so widely collected. The W600’s also were an obvious source of advertising and distributed across the entire US via mail, all additional characteristics in their favor as compared to other oversize issues of the era.

[Leon]

Thanks for the info, Kevin.

Originally Posted by Baseball Rarities

Ryan - First of all, what a fantastic W600 Wagner.

Yes, Mathewson has a W600 Type 2 that was issued in 1903. His E107 was also issued in 1903. I assume that both would be considered his rookie card.

Wagner has a W600 Type 1 that was issued in 1902. Since his E107 was not issued, until 1903, I consider his W600 Type 1 his rookie card - unless you want to count his 1899 M101-1 The Sporting Life and National Copper Plate supplements

[puckpaul]

Yeah, talking my book here, but i have to disagree and would consider the Copper Plate and Sporting News to be cards and rookie cards. They were clearly collectable, had biographies on the back, were issued in series, by mail, and as a set in binders. Many of the photos used are also repeated in the E107 set and others.

But none of these designations are mutually exclusive, and everyone has their opinion. A professional card of Wagner that predates the W600 by 3-4 years seems to be a very strong contender. If they were graded by PSA (and more populous) they would be ascendant….maybe someday! They are my favorite cards regardless, really beautiful to look at in person.

Meanwhile, this Matthewson is a Type II I guess? I always forget the attributes of those vs Type I.

[Baseball Rarities]

Paul - your W600 Matty is a Type 3.

[puckpaul]

Originally Posted by Baseball Rarities

Paul - your W600 Matty is a Type 3.

Right, thanks, refreshed my memory….1903-04 issue.

[Exhibitman]

1960 Nu-Card Scoops Willie McCovey
1949 Exhibit Doby (the version with “An Exhibit Card” was issued in 1949).
1949 Exhibit Paige (the card has “An Exhibit Card” and was issued in 1949).
1949 Exhibit Ashburn (the version with “An Exhibit Card” was issued in 1949).
1929-30 Cienfuegos Postcard Cool Papa Bell
1957 Don Drysdale McCarthy PC (I have a signed one mailed from Brooklyn in 1957)

It also depends on your definitions. If you throw out whole categories like team issued PCs, but allow the 1946 Sears PCs, you are making some pretty random distinctions and missing stuff. Not to mention picture packs. Why is a paoer item from a picture pack not permanent enough but a paper issue like a Toletero ok? And size? You establish a size limit then violate it immediately with the W600s.

Old Cardboard has a similar list and it is more expansive.