Feller rookie?

[MACollector]

Makes sense. I don’t think I had heard people call Ruth’s 33 Goudeys his rookie card before but that’s the card they use for Ruth in registries probably since it’s more available as you suggested. Some true rookies just don’t have enough copies to go around! But it’s interesting people consider Musial Leaf or Bowman his rookie card but not the Feller Leaf!

[BobC]

Originally Posted by MACollector

Makes sense. I don’t think I had heard people call Ruth’s 33 Goudeys his rookie card before but that’s the card they use for Ruth in registries probably since it’s more available as you suggested. Some true rookies just don’t have enough copies to go around! But it’s interesting people consider Musial Leaf or Bowman his rookie card but not the Feller Leaf!

Yeah, go back and find some old Beckett price guides from a few decades back, or maybe Tuff Stuffs, or some other old price guides/books, and you'll see how Ruth's rookie was considered by some as his '33 Goudey cards. Was the same thing with that 48-49 Leaf set listing a ton of rookie cards for players that had been on many different issues years earlier, like the reference made to Feller's cards form the '30s.

[bcbgcbrcb]

I also thought that the W600 Matty was his rookie card but if I recall correctly, it was determined that the Type I Matty was initially released in 1903 as opposed to Wagner in 1902. Since the W600’s continued to be distributed over many years, I went with the E107 as the dating was more specific. I did the same thing with every situation on my list where there were multiple cards initially issued during the same year, I went with the one(s) with most specific dating to that year as opposed to date ranges.

[tobychin]

What about the R311 Joe DiMaggio?

[BobC]

Originally Posted by tobychin

What about the R311 Joe DiMaggio?

John,

Are you possibly mistaken and meant to say the R313 National Chicle Fine Pen card with DiMaggio? IIRC there is no R311 card of DiMaggio, in either the glossy or leather finish.


Thanks to John/tobychin for correcting me in regard to the R311 cards. I forgot about the multi-player leather version R311 card of DiMaggio with Lazzeri and Crosetti.

Still leaves my question as to why DiMaggio's R313 National Chicle Fin Pen card isn't also considered as one of his rookie cards, along with the WWG, R312, and R314 cards Phil listed.

[bcbgcbrcb]

The R311 DiMaggio is a paper premium and larger size than the max for the parameters that I stated (cabintet card size).

[Baseball Rarities]

Originally Posted by bcbgcbrcb

I also thought that the W600 Matty was his rookie card but if I recall correctly, it was determined that the Type I Matty was initially released in 1903 as opposed to Wagner in 1902. Since the W600’s continued to be distributed over many years, I went with the E107 as the dating was more specific. I did the same thing with every situation on my list where there were multiple cards initially issued during the same year, I went with the one(s) with most specific dating to that year as opposed to date ranges.

Not to go too far off subject, but there is no W600 Type 1 of Matty.

His W600 Type 2 and E107 cards were both issued in 1903.

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by Baseball Rarities

Not to go too off subject, but there is no W600 Type 1 of Matty.

His W600 Type 2 and E107 cards were both issued in 1903.

Right!! I have a type 3. I knew what I had was his second w600. I just thought it was a type 2 to his rookie, the type 1.

In that case, which is the proper rookie, w600 type 2 or e107? It seems Phil’s explanation and conclusion that it’s e107 is correct, no?

Wagner has a type 1, and that is his rookie (not e107)

[Baseball Rarities]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Right!! I have a type 3. I knew what I had was his second w600. I just thought it was a type 2 to his rookie, the type 1.

In that case, which is the proper rookie, w600 type 2 or e107? It seems Phil’s explanation and conclusion that it’s e107 is correct, no?

Wagner has a type 1, and that is his rookie (not e107)

Ryan - First of all, what a fantastic W600 Wagner.

Yes, Mathewson has a W600 Type 2 that was issued in 1903. His E107 was also issued in 1903. I assume that both would be considered his rookie card.

Wagner has a W600 Type 1 that was issued in 1902. Since his E107 was not issued, until 1903, I consider his W600 Type 1 his rookie card - unless you want to count his 1899 M101-1 The Sporting Life and National Copper Plate supplements

[Baseball Rarities]

Also, FWIW, I have always considered Feller's 1937 V300 and R314 cards to be his "rookies."

[Leon]

Thanks for the info, Kevin.

Originally Posted by Baseball Rarities

Ryan - First of all, what a fantastic W600 Wagner.

Yes, Mathewson has a W600 Type 2 that was issued in 1903. His E107 was also issued in 1903. I assume that both would be considered his rookie card.

Wagner has a W600 Type 1 that was issued in 1902. Since his E107 was not issued, until 1903, I consider his W600 Type 1 his rookie card - unless you want to count his 1899 M101-1 The Sporting Life and National Copper Plate supplements