Hey, pennant guys

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

See post 7172 above. Same exact blue jay. Pennant also same size, same stitching, same felt, and 7172 shows the unique split spine which Epsteins (LOL) are known for. Short of a pennant DNA test this is as conclusive as it gets.

Also Epstein:

I knew there was a reason! Now….please show me a close up of this “split spine” of which you speak.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

I knew there was a reason! Now….please show me a close up of this “split spine” of which you speak.

What’s interesting is, the stitching is unbroken.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

I knew there was a reason! Now….please show me a close up of this “split spine” of which you speak.

+1

Can’t imagine what that’s about, as it sounds more like a condition flaw.

[perezfan]

NM. Cell phone sucks

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by perezfan

+1

Can’t imagine what that’s about, as it sounds more like a condition flaw.

Greg posted as I was floundering and fat-fingering on my cell screen. So it IS a condition flaw. Epstein was apparently a cheapskate who underpaid his taxes and couldn’t even waste 2” of “spine material” to make it uninterrupted.

Shame on you, Epstein!

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Greg posted as I was floundering and fat-fingering on my cell screen. So it IS a condition flaw. Epstein was apparently a cheapskate who underpaid his taxes and couldn’t even waste 2” of “spine material” to make it uninterrupted.

Shame on you, Epstein!

Nah you’re being too hard on my man Epstein … he gave the world the Brooklyn Dodgers hitchhiker pennant! This one, too

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Greg posted as I was floundering and fat-fingering on my cell screen. So it IS a condition flaw. Epstein was apparently a cheapskate who underpaid his taxes and couldn’t even waste 2” of “spine material” to make it uninterrupted.

Shame on you, Epstein!

Here's an alleged Epstein split spine for you. Interesting technique on this one. They didn't worry about smooth flush edges. They just overlaid the pointy longer piece over the shorter one and stitched away.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by perezfan

So it IS a condition flaw. Epstein was apparently a cheapskate who underpaid his taxes and couldn’t even waste 2” of “spine material” to make it uninterrupted.

Shame on you, Epstein!

I retract my judgemental statement, and owe the great Epstein an apology. Epstein was a mensch!

[thetahat]

delete

[perezfan]

So is this an “Epstein”?

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...forty-22850599

This one has had a recurring case of split-spine syndrome throughout the years.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by perezfan

So is this an “Epstein”?

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...forty-22850599

This one has had a recurring case of split-spine syndrome throughout the years.

Hmmm … this looks like WGN to me … based on the spine and thin tassels.

Here’s an Epstein Niner pennant … just sold

[Fballguy]

Epstein seems to provide a major clue in solving the mystery of the stiff arm (Heisman) pennants but I'm a little dubious on the idea that they were the only ones making them. As Kyle said, they used very generic artwork but there is significant variation in these pennants. It's possible their "art work" evolved over the years (with the Wilburforce below likely their first ever attempt at depicting a football player) but some of the differentiation seems very arbitrary...like something a competitor might add to avoid using a direct copy. Also interesting to note, the Florida State pennant below is 3/4 size which is very atypical for these. The variations below were all found in about 5 minutes of searching through my website. I'm sure I could find more.

[bocca001]

That blue NY Giants is bad, in a funny way.

Does the ad that Oooribay posted suggest that these (at least some) were made by AMCO Emblem? An Ohio State runner pennant is right in the ad (although the stiff arm is going in the opposite direction).

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by bocca001

That blue NY Giants is bad, in a funny way.

Does the ad that Oooribay posted suggest that these (at least some) were made by AMCO Emblem? An Ohio State runner pennant is right in the ad (although the stiff arm is going in the opposite direction).

That definitely caught my eye initially but why would they show it wrong in the ad? Also, the ad is for mini pennants (11"). I've never seen a stiff arm mini. The picture of the Tulsa pennant I shared does resemble the pennant in the ad, however is full size and I'd guess from the 1960s (though sans helmet) and not 1938.

And is that 3.5 cents per pennant? Even for a mini, that's a bargain.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

Epstein seems to provide a major clue in solving the mystery of the stiff arm (Heisman) pennants but I'm a little dubious on the idea that they were the only ones making them. As Kyle said, they used very generic artwork but there is significant variation in these pennants. It's possible their "art work" evolved over the years (with the Wilburforce below likely their first ever attempt at depicting a football player) but some of the differentiation seems very arbitrary...like something a competitor might add to avoid using a direct copy. Also interesting to note, the Florida State pennant below is 3/4 size which is very atypical for these. The variations below were all found in about 5 minutes of searching through my website. I'm sure I could find more.

Hey, Rob - did you notice in the print ad I posted this afternoon that the AMCO FB player is stiff arming in the other direction? How common or uncommon is that?

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Hey, Rob - did you notice in the print ad I posted this afternoon that the AMCO FB player is stiff arming in the other direction? How common or uncommon is that?

Yes…Great find Rob. I’d say not common at all. The only thing that comes to mind is this style which is pretty rare and seemed to focus on a few mid west colleges…Tulsa, Kansas, etc.

[Fballguy]

Found a picture of this Ohio State pennant. Definitely a lot closer to the one depicted in Rob's ad. This one is full size however.

[bocca001]

I don't think I have ever seen any of the runner style pennants (using any runner graphic.... of the many out there) in an 11.5 inch size. Have you? Makes that ad rather strange.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by bocca001

I don't think I have ever seen any of the runner style pennants (using any runner graphic.... of the many out there) in an 11.5 inch size. Have you? Makes that ad rather strange.

Never. Maybe they were made of disappearing felt.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by perezfan

So is this an “Epstein”?

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...forty-22850599

This one has had a recurring case of split-spine syndrome throughout the years.

duplicate …

[perezfan]

Then WGN was cheap, too. I have seen this particular pennant at least 3 times with a pieced-together or "split" spine.

[murphusa]

Just found

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by murphusa

Just found

Very nice! I don’t keep track of Indians pennants but that style seems pretty unique. Get your iron warmed up.

[thetahat]

Cool Indians pennant!

[Duluth Eskimo]

Always liked that Indians pennant. Usually don’t have the feather still attached. Good colors too