1967 Topps 6th Series

[bb66]

Great work Cliff!!

[deweyinthehall]

Nice finds....Dean's has been loading a crap ton of 67s onto eBay which I have been scrolling through each day without luck...progress!

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by deweyinthehall

Nice finds....Dean's has been loading a crap ton of 67s onto eBay which I have been scrolling through each day without luck...progress!

Between them and COMC it’s difficult to do these searches, if they were listings of newly acquired cards it would be great but all they are doing is recycling their old stock in a barrage of new listings.

[Kevvyg1026]

So, I think we are down to two cards missing in the layout of this series. If only the 1966 series 6 (or series 4), or even the 1969 series 3 were so easy (lol). It's only taking us about a year to get to this point.

[bb66]

Kevvy this has given us great info.The work you and Cliff have done is amazing. Others have chimed in with help,too. So many questions by solving the '66 7th series and now this tough hard- to- figure '67 6th series. Knowing the short prints and the location of cards on the slits is huge for both sets.

I know you have figured out other series layouts on '60's sets. I need to look back at past posts and see which series you and Cliff have determined to have short prints on other sets, too.

[Kevvyg1026]

This is what I show:

1960 - We haven't spent much time on the sheets for this year. There is a some uncut material (a slit from series 1, a panel with Maris etc.), but I don't have info on all of the series.

1961 - We know all ten rows in series 1, but not the pattern used. However, we believe we know the 3x vs 2x rows. Series 2 & 3- one slit is known, so the entire sheet is known. Series 4 - I only have a few miscuts, so I don't think the sheet is known. Series 5 - a lot of work has been done by others and I show that the entire sheet is known. Series 6 has 77 cards, but I do not show that the pattern is known. Finally, there is enough information to reconstruct the 66 card run for series 7, anmd so the entire sheet can be established.

1962 - I believe all sheets for this year have been determined.

1963 - I believe all sheets for this year have been determined.

1964 - Series 1 through 4 are known. Series 5 has one slit determined, but the 2nd slit hasn't been finalized yet. Very little is known about Series 6 while series 7 has three of the 7 rows established, but not the entire sheet.

1965 - All ten rows of series 1 are known, but the pattern for the sheet isn't known well enough to establish the sheet. Series 2, 3, 4, & 5 are known as is one slit (but not pattern) for series 7. Little is known about series 6.

1966 - The first three series are known, series 4 has been ony partially reconstructed (approx 40%), series 5 has been reconstructed with the exception of 3-4 cards, very little is known about series 6, and series 7 has been reconstructed (shown in this forum).

1967 - All ten rows are known for series 1 but the pattern for the 2nd slit is still speculative. Series 2, 3, 4, & 5 have enough information available to determine the sheet layouts. Series 6 has been reconstructed except for the placement of 2-3 cards, and although some question the validity of our proposed layout for series 7, I haven't seen anything to change my mind about the 1 by 5x, 1 by 4x, 5 by 3x pattern we proposed.

1968 - All ten rows are known for series 1 but the pattern for the 2nd slit is still speculative. Series 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, & 7 have enough information available to determine the sheet layouts.

1969 - All ten rows are known for series 1 but the pattern for the 2nd slit is still speculative. Series 2, 4, 5, & 6 have enough information available to determine the sheet layouts. Series 7 has been reconstructed except for 4-5 cards. Series 3, a 110 card series, is still in the formative stages of being reconstructed. We know most of the leading edge & trailing edge cards, and have a few miscuts, but most of the layout is still TBD.

I hope this helps. If I have made any errors, please PM me.

Kevin

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by Kevvyg1026

So, I think we are down to two cards missing in the layout of this series.

Actually it was three cards but I figured there was no way that Topps put two team cards side by side so I surmised that the Pirates Team card had to be in the final open spot that doesn't have a team card on either side, between Bobby Wine and Bob Shaw in the 3 slot of the Brooks Robinson Checklist row. I just found a Bobby Wine with a miscut back that shows the Pirates Team card to his right so that confirms it. The last two cards to be placed are Tommy Helms and John Stephenson and the last two open slots are slot 6 on the Bob Miller row between the Giants Team card and Jerry Zimmerman and then slot 7 of the Brooks Robinson Checklist row between the Braves Team card and Marcelino Lopez.

[Cliff Bowman]

Orlando McFarlane is confirmed to be in the 9 slot of the Gary Bell row, the top of LANE from his last name can just be made out at at the bottom of the Merritt miscut. Since the Dodgers Team card is to the left of McFarlane it is confirmed to be in the 8 slot of the Gary Bell.

[Cliff Bowman]

I had forgotten that off center 67 Jerry Zimmerman cards showed the white stats box of the card to his left, but with so many cards still to be placed it didn't really matter before anyway. But now that the 67 6th Series is down to two cards it dawned on me that I should be able to figure out which one it is, Tommy Helms or John Stephenson. I figured out it is John Stephenson for two reasons. First, the white stats box on Helms is a little larger than the white stats box on Stephenson, when I placed each of them against the off center Zimmerman with a sliver of the stats box showing the Stephenson was a perfect fit, the Helms white box is too large. The second reason is that the white stats box on Stephenson protrudes further left than normal, the same as Lachemann which often shows up on slightly off center Giants Team cards. The white stats box on Helms is normal, it is nearly flush with the rest of the back of the card. I am very confident that the sheet is now complete and correct, but I will still search for miscuts for 100% confirmation on cards such as Alou, Indians Rookie Stars, Petrocelli, Horton, and Reynolds.