This is UNBELIEVABLE!!! Is this normal for an SGC card??

[bobbyw8469]

Who else had an issue??? I remember the one guy had a pubic hair in his 1963 Mantle card. Was there someone else?

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Who else had an issue??? I remember the one guy had a pubic hair in his 1963 Mantle card. Was there someone else?

Was it Mickey's? If so get it to Ken Goldin pronto.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Was it Mickey's? If so get it to Ken Goldin pronto.

LOL....No..it wasn't Mickey's. You didn't hear about that one though?

[packs]

I agree. Looks like something between the glass and the card and not a mark on the card.

[Fred]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Who else had an issue??? I remember the one guy had a pubic hair in his 1963 Mantle card. Was there someone else?

Was it a relic card with Mantle's pubic hair? Who knows, something like that could be very valuable and PSA DNA could actually be useful for this.

Edited to add - it looks like foreign material from the black insert that is lodged in with the card. Magic marker? probably not.

[Mark17]

Interesting and amusing thread. Being an IT guy, with my logical outlook, I keep wondering why anyone would think the SGC graders would be armed with a sharpie in the first place. I'll bet a T206 Hal Chase there isn't a marker anywhere inside any of the grading rooms, and therefore it's impossible that black streak isn't detritus.

[CardPadre]

Originally Posted by Mark17

Interesting and amusing thread. Being an IT guy, with my logical outlook, I keep wondering why anyone would think the SGC graders would be armed with a sharpie in the first place. I'll bet a T206 Hal Chase there isn't a marker anywhere inside any of the grading rooms, and therefore it's impossible that black streak isn't detritus.

That’s actually a very reasonable line of thinking, and this example below is a different company…but did this BGS grader evaluate the card and then run to the secured sharpie room to draw his Xs and the outline of the trimmed areas from memory? There are probably more dangers in the grading rooms than we know. I don’t know for sure what the issue is on the OP’s card, but the SGC scan makes it look a little different than the scan on this thread. Eagerly awaiting the final determination.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Mark17

Interesting and amusing thread. Being an IT guy, with my logical outlook, I keep wondering why anyone would think the SGC graders would be armed with a sharpie in the first place. I'll bet a T206 Hal Chase there isn't a marker anywhere inside any of the grading rooms, and therefore it's impossible that black streak isn't detritus.

Who knows.....I have sharpies in my office. They go nowhere near my raw cards however.

[G1911]

I am amused that the OP is getting more flack for confusing a marker mark and detritus than SGC is for screwing up another card. At least it’s not somebody’s pube this time? The standards people have for SGC are incredibly low or nonexistent.

[Stampsfan]

Someone will try and pass it off as a late stage Mays signed Red Man.

[Pat R]

No offense but if anyone thinks that it's a sharpie mark you need a new monitor or phone or whatever device you're looking at the image with.

When Bobby first posted the thread I thought he was joking about the sharpie mark.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by G1911

I am amused that the OP is getting more flack for confusing a marker mark and detritus than SGC is for screwing up another card. At least it’s not somebody’s pube this time? The standards people have for SGC are incredibly low or nonexistent.

This. I don't think I am really getting flack though. We are having a discussion. I asked for help. I am getting it. I am just amazed at things that go thru as OK. I've have seen BOTH companies I use do it. I half jokingly volunteered to be their Quality Control guy. I think I would be perfect at it. I know what collectors would be happy with, and I know what would piss them off. As an added bonus, I like the weather in Florida.

[vintagebaseballcardguy]

Originally Posted by g1911

i am amused that the op is getting more flack for confusing a marker mark and detritus than sgc is for screwing up another card. At least it’s not somebody’s pube this time? The standards people have for sgc are incredibly low or nonexistent.

+1,000

[irv]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

First thing that jumped out at me, other than the shadow play, was the absolutely "straight ends of the black interloper" That is something that would never occur in the natural marker-using world...unless, perhaps, some highly skilled medieval scribe (with proper pen nib attachments) was recently employed by SGC??

Yep, those ends are perfectly square and is what I also noticed too.

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Correct.....My original thought has been corrected. It is a foreign object. Hopefully it hasn't damaged the card.

Great news.
That's a sharp looking card!

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by vintagebaseballcardguy

+1,000

What's the point in bashing the TPG'ers anymore???? They all screw up...routinely. Some more than others...but they ALL make mistakes.

They are a necessary evil in the hobby...which we have to live with.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by G1911

I am amused that the OP is getting more flack for confusing a marker mark and detritus than SGC is for screwing up another card. At least it’s not somebody’s pube this time? The standards people have for SGC are incredibly low or nonexistent.

I was certainly not giving him flack just joking around. As far as TPG errors and indiscretions, etc etc, this one by SGC does not even make the top 100 list.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

I was certainly not giving him flack just joking around. As far as TPG errors and indiscretions, etc etc, this one by SGC does not even make the top 100 list.

Well....at least the Red Man card is right side up, if that's what you mean.

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

I was certainly not giving him flack just joking around. As far as TPG errors and indiscretions, etc etc, this one by SGC does not even make the top 100 list.

+1

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Who else had an issue??? I remember the one guy had a pubic hair in his 1963 Mantle card. Was there someone else?

Yeah, that was me. I'm embarrassed a tad to admit - that as we speak, that particular card is back at SGC right now - being totally re-evaluated, since I popped it.

This happened before Christmas, and yes - I was royally pissed. Total lack of QC, someone should have seen that on the scan if not in hand if any QC had been done at all. I emailed Brent at SGC in a tizzy and told him to refund me (which he did) because I was popping the card. I spent the next few days being pissy on social media and generally disavowing everything about TPG's. (The fact that they also sent me back a '54 Jackie as trimmed did nothing to improve my mood).

What's the moral here? I really don't know. At the end of the day, though I am increasingly more into raw lower grade vintage - there are a few cards like that Mantle that I want in a slab. SGC despite their all too human faults - still does this kind of thing less often and has better customer service in general than PSA does. So yeah, I'm trying to be more patient and forgiving here in the new year - and obviously, I'm eating my words right now on my pubed up, Peter Griffin-worthy '63 Mantle.

Sorry to the OP that this happened to you on what looks like an otherwise very nice Red Man Mays. To me, that looks like what I see even more often floating around in SGC slabs - it's like a piece of the molding that is used in the inserts? That is hands down the hugest one I've ever seen that got encapsulated and somehow made it past them, if that is what it is. Sad yes, and no excuse. But they are human. And I'm trying to look at things like my own patience, etc. a bit different here in the new year. I have no idea how long it will last, but I'm hopeful...

And PS - yeah, you can bang on and rattle SGC slabs all day long if there is something sealed up in there you don't like. It doesn't work. I've never been able to get lint or the black insert shards that you sometimes see to move even a fraction by doing that. The only alternatives seem to be to pop the slab or send back to them for a re-holder.