For 3500, which Jackie would be your one/only?

[packs]

Just for clarity the 1947 Bond Bread Portrait card is Jackie’s true rookie. That is definitive. It is the first card to feature him in a Dodgers uniform and in my opinion one of the most significant cards ever released.

[darkhorse9]

Originally Posted by packs

Just for clarity the 1947 Bond Bread Portrait card is Jackie’s true rookie. That is definitive. It is the first card to feature him in a Dodgers uniform and in my opinion one of the most significant cards ever released.

There may be truth in your statement, but you can't ignore that it's a regional set. To me that adds just a bit of "yeah, but....."

[packs]

In what way? It was released first. There’s no disputing that. The first card to feature a black player in a major league uniform was the portrait card released in 1947.

[ullmandds]

personally i'd want as early a copy as possible...a homogenized or a real bond bread. A leaf would be nice but too rich for my blood! I have the sports thrills in my collection in addition to a 53, 54 topps and a newer square corner bondlike thing.

I'd go early or topps...they're all beautiful!

DISCLAIMER...I DO NOT OWN THIS CARD!

[BobC]

Originally Posted by darkhorse9

There may be truth in your statement, but you can't ignore that it's a regional set. To me that adds just a bit of "yeah, but....."

And exactly why I said earlier that not everyone is going to consider a Bond Bread card as a "true" card.

Remember all the years Beckett showed Ruth's rookie card as being his '33 Goudey cards? There actually is a big difference between being a player's first ever issue, and their first, nationally recognized and distributed "true" card.

I've always kind of figured the main reason behind the '48 Sports Thrills set not being always so well like and appreciated is because it includes many retired, older players, and not just all current players, and the various historically significant times and events in the history of baseball that they were part of. So, in that respect at least, it is not like a typical Bowman, Topps, or Goudey set of baseball cards of then all (or mostly all) current players. In this case though, Swell lucked out and produced this set right after Robinson entered the majors with the Dodgers, and they made sure to include Jackie's debut as part of this set. Name another sports card set or issue that preceded the '48 Sports Thrills cards that mentions and documents Jackie's debut and historical achievement. To me, that adds some significance to this particular card as well.

[packs]

Originally Posted by BobC

And exactly why I said earlier that not everyone is going to consider a Bond Bread card as a "true" card.

Remember all the years Beckett showed Ruth's rookie card as being his '33 Goudey cards? There actually is a big difference between being a player's first ever issue, and their first, nationally recognized and distributed "true" card.

I've always kind of figured the main reason behind the '48 Sports Thrills set not being always so well like and appreciated is because it includes many retired, older players, and not just all current players, and the various historically significant times and events in the history of baseball that they were part of. So, in that respect at least, it is not like a typical Bowman, Topps, or Goudey set of baseball cards of then all (or mostly all) current players. In this case though, Swell lucked out and produced this set right after Robinson entered the majors with the Dodgers, and they made sure to include Jackie's debut as part of this set. Name another sports card set or issue that preceded the '48 Sports Thrills cards that mentions and documents Jackie's debut and historical achievement. To me, that adds some significance to this particular card as well.

The Bond Bread portrait does those things and was released a full year earlier in 1947. It was available in every American city that had a baseball team at the time.

[BobC]

Originally Posted by packs

The Bond Bread portrait does those things and was released a full year earlier in 1947. It was available in every American city that had a baseball team at the time.

Then answer this question.

If they were so well known and widely distributed, why are they so unbelievably rare and seemingly hard to find today?

And if you can't logically, sensically, and factually answer that question, then maybe the answer is that they weren't as widely distributed and as readily available as you may think and claim. And that includes the possibility that these first Bond Bread cards may have been available for only a very limited time as well.

Everyone knew Robinson was the first ever Negro player in the majors, so this initial card of his would be historic, and everyone would have known it. And maybe if not as highly collected and desired among white people back then, definitely something black people would have grabbed and held onto, no? Sorry, that is a second question, but it goes right back to my first one and why there aren't more of these cards still around then if it was so historically important, and supposedly so readily available everywhere to everyone.

[packs]

Originally Posted by BobC

Then answer this question.

If they were so well known and widely distributed, why are they so unbelievably rare and seemingly hard to find today?

And if you can't logically, sensically, and factually answer that question, then maybe the answer is that they weren't as widely distributed and as readily available as you may think and claim. And that includes the possibility that these first Bond Bread cards may have been available for only a very limited time as well.

Everyone knew Robinson was the first ever Negro player in the majors, so this initial card of his would be historic, and everyone would have known it. And maybe if not as highly collected and desired among white people back then, definitely something black people would have grabbed and held onto, no? Sorry, that is a second question, but it goes right back to my first one and why there aren't more of these cards still around then if it was so historically important, and supposedly so readily available everywhere to everyone.

Here's a nice article on the card and set from Beckett: https://www.beckett.com/news/1947-ja...on-bond-bread/

[BobC]

Originally Posted by packs

Here's a nice article on the card and set from Beckett: https://www.beckett.com/news/1947-ja...on-bond-bread/

I had actually already seen and read that very article before posting my response and question to you, just to make sure I wasn't missing, forgetting, or otherwise unaware of some other circumstances or facts surrounding the set. Of course that card set is important, and exactly why it would be expected that if it had been widely issued, and not more of a regional or other extremely limited type of issue, that one would expect there would be a heck of a lot more of them out there and still around today. And my original reason for researching that particular article was to do a double check before making an earlier post and statement I had had made about how the '48 Sports Thrills card was the first sports card to my knowledge to actually refer to Jackie's historic MLB debut. Though the back of one of his Bond Bread cards does go into a history of Jackie's accomplishments, it still doesn't mention him being the first ever Black MLB player in history. And I'm also well aware and don't disagree at all with you that the Bond Bread items first came out in '47, the year before any other card issues with Robinson in them. That was never the question or issue, just that some people may not view it as a "true" card issue, and/or maybe more as a limited/regional type issue.

Still, that article doesn't answer my question at all, it actually just does the opposite, and was one of the main things I came across that actually prompted me to then ask you the question I did in the first place. Which you still haven't answered by the way!

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by BobC

And exactly why I said earlier that not everyone is going to consider a Bond Bread card as a "true" card.

Remember all the years Beckett showed Ruth's rookie card as being his '33 Goudey cards? There actually is a big difference between being a player's first ever issue, and their first, nationally recognized and distributed "true" card.

I've always kind of figured the main reason behind the '48 Sports Thrills set not being always so well like and appreciated is because it includes many retired, older players, and not just all current players, and the various historically significant times and events in the history of baseball that they were part of. So, in that respect at least, it is not like a typical Bowman, Topps, or Goudey set of baseball cards of then all (or mostly all) current players. In this case though, Swell lucked out and produced this set right after Robinson entered the majors with the Dodgers, and they made sure to include Jackie's debut as part of this set. Name another sports card set or issue that preceded the '48 Sports Thrills cards that mentions and documents Jackie's debut and historical achievement. To me, that adds some significance to this particular card as well.

Let's be honest: MLB was a regional sports league in 1947. No teams west of the Mississippi, no white teams south of St. Louis, one NL team in Birmingham, one in Kansas City. Wouldn't have made a lot of sense to promote MLB in places with no teams, pre-television. The Bond Bread cards were in every (white) MLB city, so I wouldn't exactly call them regionals.

The Swell card is one I deeply regret selling into the rising market. I think that one is the 'sleeper' Robinson card. The Leaf is the most overrated card of Robinson. It got all of its cachet when people thought it was a rookie card. Now that we know there were not only several issues that predate it but also some that are contemporary to it, including the Bowman, I do not see it in the same light. But what do I know; I like the most obscure cards I can get

[rjackson44]

48 leaf

[BobC]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Let's be honest: MLB was a regional sports league in 1947. No teams west of the Mississippi, no white teams south of St. Louis, one NL team in Birmingham, one in Kansas City. Wouldn't have made a lot of sense to promote MLB in places with no teams, pre-television. The Bond Bread cards were in every (white) MLB city, so I wouldn't exactly call them regionals.

The Swell card is one I deeply regret selling into the rising market. I think that one is the 'sleeper' Robinson card. The Leaf is the most overrated card of Robinson. It got all of its cachet when people thought it was a rookie card. Now that we know there were not only several issues that predate it but also some that are contemporary to it, including the Bowman, I do not see it in the same light. But what do I know; I like the most obscure cards I can get

LOL

Adam, you just contradicted yourself by saying MLB was a regional sport, but putting these cards in every white MLB city itself was somehow not a regional distribution then. So, which is it, because you can't have it both ways? LOL

[Fred]

52T or 53T