Let's play a game of guess the grades!

[raulus]

Originally Posted by hcv123

As Nicolo through his technical prowess already revealed the PSA grade, here are the cards with the grades intact.

Sorry to spoil the fun. I briefly toyed with feigning ignorance, while simultaneously offering to brashly wager large sums on what I had already divined through my electronic legerdemain.

Just a guess here that most of us were expecting that these were recently graded, like in the last few weeks. I’m pretty sure that the PSA grade is a few years old. Not sure about the SGC, although it’s obviously a low number. Since I have absolutely zero familiarity with their numbering system, I’m not sure if this is indicative of when it was graded.

[Jay Wolt]

Originally Posted by raulus

Not sure about the SGC, although it’s obviously a low number. Since I have absolutely zero familiarity with their numbering system, I’m not sure if this is indicative of when it was graded.

SGC used to have consecutive numbering on the flips.
Now, they are totally random

[raulus]

Originally Posted by Jay Wolt

SGC used to have consecutive numbering on the flips.
Now, they are totally random

Fun fun fun.

I thought I heard a rumor somewhere that their database will tell you the date it was graded though…

[Fred]

Originally Posted by Jay Wolt

SGC used to have consecutive numbering on the flips.
Now, they are totally random

The way SGC used to do the numbering was by order. I think there was a 7 or 8 digit number followed by a -xxx. The -xxx represented a card in the main order number. For example, if the cert number was 1234567-132, then the card was the 132nd card graded from the 1234567 order (and there could have been more after 132). For PSA, I recall them being consecutive numbers. I think one submission I had was about 80-100 cards and the cert numbers were consecutive.

[jethrod3]

I was going to guess the same grades, but both 3.5's. I guess I don't feel too bad about that assessment!

[Snowman]

I don't understand the viewpoint that they ought to both be the same grade. If these two cards were submitted both raw, together, to the same company, there is zero chance of them coming back with the same grade. At any TPG.

[Pat R]

For those that were curious the SGC was graded in September 2018.

[jethrod3]

Originally Posted by Snowman

I don't understand the viewpoint that they ought to both be the same grade. If these two cards were submitted both raw, together, to the same company, there is zero chance of them coming back with the same grade. At any TPG.

As Leon mentioned a couple of posts later, in my case I picked the same grade because I suspected that something was awry or that there was a slight misgrading. Since we all know that misgrading happens, there is definitely a greater chance than zero that they could come back that way! Even if two cards are identical or the same card sent in separately at different times to each company.

[Snowman]

I don't think anyone here believes the SGC *ought* to grade higher, I just think the opinions posted reflect the general, and well-deserved, lack of confidence the vintage community now has in PSA's ability to accurately grade vintage these days.

The SGC looks overgraded to me. I think that card should be a 2.5 or a 3. The PSA card being in a 4 holder is a bit surprising, but the cert beginning with 45xx means that it was graded right in the early stages of the pandemic, and likely by an experienced grader, before the avalanche came that overwhelmed PSA and before they hired all these noobie graders who haven't got a clue. If that cert began with 5xxx or 6xxx though, it would almost certainly be in a 2 or 3 holder. They're just all over the place these days.

If I were subbing today, I'd expect a 2.5 on the SGC card and a 3 on the PSA.

[RCMcKenzie]

They look about the same to me. I don't see one having a swap premium over the other. I'd give them both a 4 as well.

[NiceDocter]

Okay just my opinion on what I would do. Ignoring the slabs, the PSA card has better eye appeal to me with much less "white" on the borders and corners. I would think at least $100 maybe up to $200 difference. I would take the PSA card raw in straight trade for the slabbed SGC card as well.