Should Some Interference Be Allowed In The BST Areas?

[Snapolit1]

There seems to be a pretty good consensus that "Buyer should do their homework."

I guess everyone's cool when they are ripped off and are the victim of fraud.

"Hey, that car you just bought with the representation that the odometer was never messed with. Sorry. I just signed that. It's total bullshit. Buy, hey, you're cool with that, right?"

"That seller's disclosure for the house you bought? Yeah, I sort of lied on a good deal of that. That white stuff in the basement actually is asbestos. And the roof wasn't replaced in 2007. Ooopsie!"

"That card was actually trimmed. A few AHs told me that. And no I didn't feel a need to tell you that."

[kailes2872]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

There seems to be a pretty good consensus that "Buyer should do their homework."

I guess everyone's cool when they are ripped off and are the victim of fraud.

"Hey, that car you just bought with the representation that the odometer was never messed with. Sorry. I just signed that. It's total bullshit. Buy, hey, you're cool with that, right?"

"That seller's disclosure for the house you bought? Yeah, I sort of lied on a good deal of that. That white stuff in the basement actually is asbestos. And the roof wasn't replaced in 2007. Ooopsie!"

"That card was actually trimmed. A few AHs told me that. And no I didn't feel a need to tell you that."

Yep, seems like we have a lot of sellers among us. Reminds me of the first time that I went on BST when I joined the board. I priced things way too low in a fear of not offending the royalty on this board. One guy buys a card from me for a very below market fair price. He then comes back to me on PM and tells me that the card was diamond cut - but in an effort not to ruin my reputation on the board in the case that he outs me (even though there was a large picture of the 58 Mantlet card that he could make me a fair judgement on), he tells me that I n=eed to refund $25 - half of the very fair $50 price that many people came on and asked for - but I honored the price to him because he was he first one to ask - and I refund him. Even though I told him to tear the card in half and I would send him $50, he told me that it was for his PC and he was just a bit offended that the card was not as described. I am sure that he would be quick to share comps with me on a $400 or $500 card. But because I didn't want to get a reputation as a bad seller on this site, I sent him a paypal for $25. So, let's make sure that every dealer and flipper on this site gets the absolute benefit of the doubt - lest we out someone for trying to get rid of some cards yet, I think his name was something like MLBtraderumors. You can go ahead and out me for a card that was fairly shared and if you thought it was a diamond cut, then you should not have bought it. But sure, let's go ahead and make sure that everyone is taken advantage by the sharps. I have tried to be a good citizen on this board. I know that I overpay when I buy and sell at a loss when I sell - but that guy tried to take advantage of me. SO, if there are any rules in BST that keep that sort of behavior from happening, then count me in on it. Does it protect a buyer in the case that it is an outright lie on the comps? Ok, well good for the buyer. Too many people have been taking advantage of too many people here - starting with the guy who was going to out me for selling him a diamond cut 58 mantle for $50 in 2014 and asking for $25 back - what a loser. Next time, I will insist that you tear the card in two and I will send you back $50 plus shipping. I am sure that I can buy and sell you and if you think that you getting an extra $25 from me makes you a winner then good for you. By the way - I am not shipping to Canada and I am glad that you couldn't weasel and extra $10 out of the price of my 48 Bowman Berra. If you would like to respond personally, then good for you. I would be happy to settle this face to face. But, your threat of outing me for selling you a diamond cut 58 Mantle with perfect images - you already got your $25 back and I will be just fine.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Seller just has to put- 'Please note that in addition to the past sales I cited, there may be additional auctions that sold a similar card that may of been less or more than I cited within the same time frame'

[Bigdaddy]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Seller just has to put- 'Please note that in addition to the past sales I cited, there may be additional auctions that sold a similar card that may of been less or more than I cited within the same time frame'

Or how about a seller just puts a price? Whatever they want, 10x more than the going price or 10x less. When I go to a card show, all I want is the asking price from the dealer, not a justification of his price. If I have questions, I'll ask. As long as they don't misrepresent the card, we're good.

[dmats33312]

Originally Posted by Bigdaddy

Or how about a seller just puts a price? Whatever they want, 10x more than the going price or 10x less. When I go to a card show, all I want is the asking price from the dealer, not a justification of his price. If I have questions, I'll ask. As long as they don't misrepresent the card, we're good.

I think this is it, a seller has a card and it's theirs to try to sell it at any price they want just as the buyer can accept it at a price they want. If either is too far off of what the true value is most likely a deal won't be made. With comps I see it as people will use VCP if it's in their favor or cherry pick a sale or use eBay comps or go last 4 sales which happens to have the 4th sale as an abnormality. Just put a price and buyer can vet it.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Seller just has to put- 'Please note that in addition to the past sales I cited, there may be additional auctions that sold a similar card that may of been less or more than I cited within the same time frame'

OR

Potential buyers could be smart enough to know that on their own.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

There seems to be a pretty good consensus that "Buyer should do their homework."

I guess everyone's cool when they are ripped off and are the victim of fraud.

"Hey, that car you just bought with the representation that the odometer was never messed with. Sorry. I just signed that. It's total bullshit. Buy, hey, you're cool with that, right?"

"That seller's disclosure for the house you bought? Yeah, I sort of lied on a good deal of that. That white stuff in the basement actually is asbestos. And the roof wasn't replaced in 2007. Ooopsie!"

"That card was actually trimmed. A few AHs told me that. And no I didn't feel a need to tell you that."

No, but that's why YOU need to look into things like proper pricing. Unless you're volunteering to be the BST police.

I know enough about cars to get a feel for if the stated mileage is probably a bit "off" plus there's Carfax...Or I just don't care, one I owned was surprisingly listed as 217,000 on the title, but the odometer didn't work. At that point it's not like it mattered.

who would buy a house without an inspection? Maybe a flipper who knew what he was doing? We had an inspection and there were very few things pointed out that I didn't already know, and they were trivial. And yes, we had asbestos, and I knew that before the inspection. Plus the roof hasn't been replaced ever. But this type of slate can go 200 years or more....

If you can't spot trimming maybe buy commons until you can?

[Snapolit1]

Amazingly, there are even laws against making fraudulent misrepresentations in commercial negotiations. Since the 1700s. Imagine that!

Originally Posted by steve B

No, but that's why YOU need to look into things like proper pricing. Unless you're volunteering to be the BST police.

I know enough about cars to get a feel for if the stated mileage is probably a bit "off" plus there's Carfax...Or I just don't care, one I owned was surprisingly listed as 217,000 on the title, but the odometer didn't work. At that point it's not like it mattered.

who would buy a house without an inspection? Maybe a flipper who knew what he was doing? We had an inspection and there were very few things pointed out that I didn't already know, and they were trivial. And yes, we had asbestos, and I knew that before the inspection. Plus the roof hasn't been replaced ever. But this type of slate can go 200 years or more....

If you can't spot trimming maybe buy commons until you can?