SGC is Riding the Wave

[Lucas00]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Interesting, I am not seeing SGC prices matching PSA at all. Quite to the contrary, it seems there is a steep SGC discount still at least post war and especially modern, although I don't spend a lot of time studying it.

If you are referring to my post Peter, it is Only in reference to vintage pre 1970 (usually pre 1960 actually) baseball. Shoulda said that.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Lucas00

If you are referring to my post Peter, it is Only in reference to vintage pre 1970 (usually pre 1960 actually) baseball. Shoulda said that.

Ah OK if I missed that sorry.

[Johnny630]

SGC would be much higher on the wave if they had shown up and graded at the National….missing two years in a row was a misstep. Can we get a legit QR Code/Slab and registry that is legitimate?

[scotgreb]

As a nearly exclusive PSA collector / submitter, I have used SGC recently because they know how to identify an Old Judge. My experiences with them have been great.

My PSA "membership" recently expired and I have no compelling reason to renew. The price point is too high for most of my needs -- not to mention they can change their prices and terms without notice and you have no idea what the "specials" are going to be. Then they offer a $100 credit to Loupe as incentive? Just keep it. At least the submission vouchers offered some value [to me].

Scott

[Vintagedeputy]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

SGC would be much higher on the wave if they had shown up and graded at the National….missing two years in a row was a misstep. Can we get a legit GR Code/Slab and registry that is legitimate?

I am the biggest supporter of SGC and have been for years, all the way back to their Par/Troy days. I love their grading and suggest them over PSA to anyone who'll listen.


With that said, I have also been their biggest complainer about not bringing the registry back. I blast them on every social media post they make. Changing the cert numbers, leading to the demise of the registry was absolutely stupid. Not a big fan of them moving away from the 10-100 scale and kowtowing to the 1-10 scale either, but I'll live.

[jimmer77]

The thing I have notices with SGC, is that it seems they do not want to be competitive. Most businesses will essentially mimic their competitors in order to gain a piece of the market and give customers what they want but with a twist and it feels SGC went with the slab differentiate themselves and turn times, but with PSA seemingly catching up in turn times, SGC needs to do more to competitive. Could start with pricing at $24 to start, it's not enough especially when PSA will have entry price at $25, registry will help also, again for ease of tracking, an improved website would also help. I support both companies, admittedly have sent most of my subs to PSA recently, but am willing to get back on board with SGC if they show some willingness to do more to justify my business. 1 feature I do enjoy about SGC is the Seller Ready photos for all subs, but I imagine PSA will be including something similar sooner than later based on a recent survey they sent and if enough people answer yes to this option then they will probably mimic an SGC innovation. I guess what I am saying is all companies essentially copy one another and let the consumer decide, so if SGC wants to compete and gain significant market share then they need to keep marching forward and not stand pact against their competitors

[th38larg]

People are flipping ultra-modern stuff so quickly, SGC speed is a huge advantage. For example, flippers are chasing Brock Purdy material right now. I think there is an implicit understanding that once the 49er playoff run is over his values may crater. If your'e trying to grade with PSA, you probably won't be getting those cards back until after the Super Bowl is done and gone.

[Oscar_Stanage]

I once deluded myself into thinking the discount was getting smaller. With the exception of pre-war it is nonsense. I've been selling over the last few weeks and while the SGC cards do sell, they do so at the SGC comps which are way lower than PSA.

the fact is there is just a wider audience of PSA collectors, a lot just do not want SGC (or other slabs). best to just accept it.

[BobC]

In regard to some of the seemingly positive, or at worst neutral, comments about CSG and their possible future place among the other TPGs I'm reading about in this thread, would love to hear some of the stories and reasons for changing of opinions, and/or otherwise hypocritical comments now being made in regard to CSG.

I remember in an earlier thread just after the announcement came out, and I believe also before they had become a paid advertiser here on Net54, discussing CSG's decision in partnering with PWCC and agreeing to do grading for PWCC's customers through them. And in my attempt to hopefully steer that earlier thread to an intelligent and civil discussion regarding CSG's business choices and supposed business model going forward, and if they could potentially grow enough to become legit, serious competitors of the other TPGs, I got the not atypical $hit directed at me by the usual type of suspects. And it is almost comical how some posts/comments between both threads are now literally 180 degrees opposite from where they were in the prior statements/opinions regarding CSG.

https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=318862,

And in regard to the main idea of the thread, I don't really see much change, and the pricing differences caused by factors such as Registries, seem to still be in place. I do believe I've started seeing more CSG slabbed cards on Ebay, and won't be surprised if they continue to creep up on the other TPGs, in both quantities showing up for sale, as well as the values they bring. I seem to remember seeing/reading that CSG supposedly does have a Registry of their own. If that is true, they need to keep grading many more cards before their Registry will begin to impact their card's resale value. I have stated before that a possible good move by CSG would be to see if they can somehow acquire, or at least partner-up with, SGC, and therefore be able to integrate SGC's grading population history with theirs, giving them both more Registry credibility, and allowing them to at least start to think about catching up to PSA in that regard. Still won't make up for the advantage PSA has built up over the years, or change the somewhat now ingrained hobby thinking/bias that PSA graded cards are worth more than other TPG graded cards, but at least it would be a start in the right direction.