Has Blowout Cards Abandoned Finding Fraud?

[rjackson44]

This will never end

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by rjackson44

This will never end

The fraud or the people wasting their time complaining about it?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by bnorth

The fraud or the people wasting their time complaining about it?

As long as there is fraud, I think it should be talked about and brought into the open, as much as possible.



and, as shown before, the plate specimens for Lipset's Encyclopedia...these aren't fraudulent.
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[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Leon

As long as there is fraud, I think it should be talked about and brought into the open, as much as possible.



and, as shown before, the plate specimens for Lipset's Encyclopedia...these aren't fraudulent.
.

I used to think like that but I have been attacked way too many times for calling out someones friend or business partner. It just isn't worth the hassle to me anymore. Even on here I have seen one member sell another member an altered card and then tell the buyer too bad. Because the seller was a popular member there was nothing but crickets when the buyer openly complained about it. I get it that that is how it works in the real world so I have done my best to quit complaining about it.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I used to think like that but I have been attacked way too many times for calling out someones friend or business partner. It just isn't worth the hassle to me anymore. Even on here I have seen one member sell another member an altered card and then tell the buyer too bad. Because the seller was a popular member there was nothing but crickets when the buyer openly complained about it. I get it that that is how it works in the real world so I have done my best to quit complaining about it.

I would love the names and evidence. Fraud should be treated as fraud. Way too many people seem to find it acceptable when it’s their pals doing it.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

I would love the names and evidence. Fraud should be treated as fraud. Way too many people seem to find it acceptable when it’s their pals doing it.

If I recall correctly it was a T3 Cobb that Dan McKee sold to Jesse Arnot. It was all vetted here, but if memory serves Dan did not comment publicly. After Dan declined to accept a return, and to be complete about it this was a long time after the original transaction, Jesse reached a resolution with PSA.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

If I recall correctly it was a T3 Cobb that Dan McKee sold to Jesse Arnot. It was all vetted here, but if memory serves Dan did not comment publicly. After Dan declined to accept a return, and to be complete about it this was a long time after the original transaction, Jesse reached a resolution with PSA.

Thank you.

[Yoda]

Trimmers, alterers, shillers forgers and counterfeiters are our hobby's dark web. Embarrassed as I am to tell the tale, i got skunked via Ebay about 7 years ago. I bought a raw Wolverine News Cobb, examining everything i could from the optics provided. It looked about vg shape. I knew, of course, how rare the WN set is and why would it pop up on Ebay instead of AH, but I pulled the trigger.

My plan was to get it graded at the National (LOTG Al might remember, as I passed the card to many learned heads at his table), using SGC. I submitted the card and held my breath. When I went to pick up the card, their head grader came and gave me the bad news that the card was bogus. He said it had taken them a while, the paper stock was right, the aging in line, to determine it was no good. Why? The pixels weren't right. Tail between legs, I slumped away wondering what the f#%k is a pixel.

I fear humility is eroding within the hobby, so I pull that faux Cobby out from time to time to remind myself of my own failings.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Yoda

Trimmers, alterers, shillers forgers and counterfeiters are our hobby's dark web. Embarrassed as I am to tell the tale, i got skunked via Ebay about 7 years ago. I bought a raw Wolverine News Cobb, examining everything i could from the optics provided. It looked about vg shape. I knew, of course, how rare the WN set is and why would it pop up on Ebay instead of AH, but I pulled the trigger.

My plan was to get it graded at the National (LOTG Al might remember, as I passed the card to many learned heads at his table), using SGC. I submitted the card and held my breath. When I went to pick up the card, their head grader came and gave me the bad news that the card was bogus. He said it had taken them a while, the paper stock was right, the aging in line, to determine it was no good. Why? The pixels weren't right. Tail between legs, I slumped away wondering what the f#%k is a pixel.

I fear humility is eroding within the hobby, so I pull that faux Cobby out from time to time to remind myself of my own failings.

I am sure we all have similar stories. I have collected print errors for over 3 decades. It hurt bad when I figured out several of my expensive rare error cards are just faded worthless junk.