Vintage Set Breaks in 2023

[Leon]

I would recommend against this. My guess, and it's only a guess, is that you are bidding up all T213-3 overprints you see. Take you out of the equation, and what I just paid 2500 for, becomes 1500 or less. Keep protecting.

Originally Posted by trobba

I have thought about this for my t213 type 3.

It has a good number of cards in the set (70), but has many problems
with pricing and cost per slot because the cards trade so infrequently.

There are some incredible cards in the set, 2 Cobbs, Mathewson, Speaker, Johnson and I have some 1/1 overprints, so there is a lot of value and scarcity in the group. Guessing it would be hard to get 70 people to buy a slot for something like 2, 3 or $4000 per.

I think it would be great fun to do a live drawing.

Rob

[Fred]

I finally had time to check out one of the Burl's break. Now I understand how it's done. I'm assuming all set breaks are completed with the "Randomizer". Is that correct?

Looks like it could be entertaining for a few minutes while they run the randomizer.

An assumption is that each card is evaluated prior to the break and a $$ value assigned to it to reach a total value. Does the person running the break add a percentage for their troubles (running the break, packaging, shipping, etc.)? If so, what's the usual percentage?

I get that the total value is divided by the number of cards and that's how the entry cost is determined.

One difference between this and a state lottery is that you will at least have something to show for every entry.

[trobba]

Hi Leon,

Not really sure I get the meaning of your post. I don't believe the value of a few overprints out of a set of 70 has much to do with my decision to do a set break. I was simply commenting on a few of the cards in the set that were special, no more no less.

What troubles me more is the connotation that my bidding pattern is artificially driving up prices for certain cards. Suggesting I am "bidding up" cards doesn't strike me as a positive practice, and since it's only a "guess" on your part I find it even more irksome. The overprints come up quite infrequently, however one did just trade in the REA auction. I took the liberty of taking a screenshot of the bidding, trying my best to hide my bidder ID while still showing the higher bids which stretched all the way to $2000 (pre-BP), none of which I was a part of above $800. So, I am not protecting, artificially inflating or otherwise manipulating prices in any way. Perhaps I am being overly sensitive to your comments, but it felt like the thrust of your comment was aimed at my bidding of t213-3 overprint cards when this thread is entirely about something else.

Rob

Originally Posted by Leon

I would recommend against this. My guess, and it's only a guess, is that you are bidding up all T213-3 overprints you see. Take you out of the equation, and what I just paid 2500 for, becomes 1500 or less. Keep protecting.

[Leon]

If you don't bid them up, my apologies. I thought you had bid on the one in REA, from one of your comments. It doesn't matter to me how you bid, or what you bid on. If someone (and I bet thousands do) want a particular card to stay at a level, they can buy them or bid whatever amount they want to. If I see a great card at a good price, I am possibly going to bid on it, even if I have a few already.

But the response was on target since we are talking about set breaks and you mentioned the T213-3 overprints. In a relatively thin market, dropping a lot of them out at once, would most likely depress the prices. That said, I guess in a break, the person doing the breaking actually sets the value vis a vis the ticket price.

Originally Posted by trobba

Hi Leon,

Not really sure I get the meaning of your post. I don't believe the value of a few overprints out of a set of 70 has much to do with my decision to do a set break. I was simply commenting on a few of the cards in the set that were special, no more no less.

What troubles me more is the connotation that my bidding pattern is artificially driving up prices for certain cards. Suggesting I am "bidding up" cards doesn't strike me as a positive practice, and since it's only a "guess" on your part I find it even more irksome. The overprints come up quite infrequently, however one did just trade in the REA auction. I took the liberty of taking a screenshot of the bidding, trying my best to hide my bidder ID while still showing the higher bids which stretched all the way to $2000 (pre-BP), none of which I was a part of above $800. So, I am not protecting, artificially inflating or otherwise manipulating prices in any way. Perhaps I am being overly sensitive to your comments, but it felt like the thrust of your comment was aimed at my bidding of t213-3 overprint cards when this thread is entirely about something else.

Rob

[Lorewalker]

I enjoy gambling as much as anyone but when it comes to the hobby I prefer it remain as pure as possible. Breaks are just not for me but I can certainly see the appeal.

I would prefer to just save and go buy the card I want in the condition I want.

[gabrinus]

Rob (Trobba) may be the least offensive guy on here and after knowing him for many years I have always known him to be very honest and trustworthy...Leon, that was a strange dig you took at him...it would be great if one person had the power to raise prices...Jerry

[parkplace33]

Seeing more and more of these vintage set breaks, especially in the last two weeks. They all sell out (from what I have seen). I anticipate more of the same this year. I wonder if complete sets will go to auction houses or will now be broken using the set break format.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by parkplace33

Seeing more and more of these vintage set breaks, especially in the last two weeks. They all sell out (from what I have seen). I anticipate more of the same this year. I wonder if complete sets will go to auction houses or will now be broken using the set break format.

These Raffles are occurring more and more on Facebook Card Groups...people love the thrill of the Chance. I agree this is the new way to sell cards. Graded or ungraded, doesn’t even have to be a set break.